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I use the shell as a development environment. In this world of SPE, Eclipse, and XEmacs, developing C/python/Java/others in a shell with vim, grep, sed, less, f

I use the shell as a development environment. In this world of SPE, Eclipse, and XEmacs, developing C/python/Java/others in a shell with vim, grep, sed, less, find, is starting to become unconventional. I just cannot tolerate the mouse-clickiness of all mainstream IDEs, neither the extreme use of the control+this+control+that of emacs. My primary reason to get into vim was the promise of short key bindings, very easy text editing/rewriting and no mouse. It fullfilled that promise: my wrists have not hurt again ever.

SwellJoe 19y ago
I don't think this is all that outside the norm, but I might be showing my age. Both my co-founder and I are exclusively vim users, and at a previous software dev shop I spent a few years doing contract work for there were several emacs (which I don't consider in the same vein as Eclipse and VS or whatever--though it depends on how you use it) users, a nedit user, and a couple of other users of plain old text editors. And all of them used the same set of custom build scripts and development tools, which were all command line with matched sets for Linux and Windows. Only about 40% or so used a big IDE (Eclipse or Microsoft's stuff, plus a few IntelliJ) full time. A few more used Microsoft's stuff for the debugger when they needed it.
chaostheory 19y ago
Eclipse has pretty decent Emacs key bindings built-in (you just have to turn it on), and there's a decent plugin for vi users; you don't need to use the mouse (much) in Eclipse if you don't want to
davo11 19y ago
>> my wrists have not hurt again ever. Have you tried a trackball? if I use a mouse for a week or so my wrist starts aching, with a trackball none of those problems.
- albertcardona 19y ago
  Sorry, I blended together several issues: * My wrists used to hurt a lot from bizarre keybindings that use the control key (I used to use emacs a lot), than from mouse usage. Remapping to the caps is no use (strains my left little finger and left upper side of the hand). Remapping to alt (or to the apple key, in a powerbook) helped a lot, but still too many control pushes. * The mouse slows me down, way more than hurts my wrists. * I use Blender a lot. Using the mouse for Blender is no problem regarding my wrists. The trick for me is: extend the arm to fully rest in the table, flat, so that the mouse ends up nearly behind the laptop.

SwellJoe 19y ago

I don't think this is all that outside the norm, but I might be showing my age. Both my co-founder and I are exclusively vim users, and at a previous software dev shop I spent a few years doing contract work for there were several emacs (which I don't consider in the same vein as Eclipse and VS or whatever--though it depends on how you use it) users, a nedit user, and a couple of other users of plain old text editors. And all of them used the same set of custom build scripts and development tools, which were all command line with matched sets for Linux and Windows. Only about 40% or so used a big IDE (Eclipse or Microsoft's stuff, plus a few IntelliJ) full time. A few more used Microsoft's stuff for the debugger when they needed it.

chaostheory 19y ago

Eclipse has pretty decent Emacs key bindings built-in (you just have to turn it on), and there's a decent plugin for vi users; you don't need to use the mouse (much) in Eclipse if you don't want to

davo11 19y ago

>> my wrists have not hurt again ever. Have you tried a trackball? if I use a mouse for a week or so my wrist starts aching, with a trackball none of those problems.

albertcardona 19y ago
Sorry, I blended together several issues: * My wrists used to hurt a lot from bizarre keybindings that use the control key (I used to use emacs a lot), than from mouse usage. Remapping to the caps is no use (strains my left little finger and left upper side of the hand). Remapping to alt (or to the apple key, in a powerbook) helped a lot, but still too many control pushes. * The mouse slows me down, way more than hurts my wrists. * I use Blender a lot. Using the mouse for Blender is no problem regarding my wrists. The trick for me is: extend the arm to fully rest in the table, flat, so that the mouse ends up nearly behind the laptop.