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I see in the comments there are still some workarounds to this paywall. Good to know. Cheers. Just a reminder another workaround to the paywall is to you know

by qwrusz 10y ago

I see in the comments there are still some workarounds to this paywall. Good to know. Cheers. Just a reminder another workaround to the paywall is to you know actually subscribe to the newspaper. That is an option they offer. Obviously not possible for everyone. But if you have the money and want to read and support journalism... WSJ is really far from perfect but it's not the worst newspaper one could be subscribed to. Also I think their discounted corporate plans program is huge, so depending where you work you may get a discount or it could be free, never hurts to ask. Also, maybe YC could negotiate some sort of group WSJ discount for Hacker News users above a certain karma count? Just an idea...

nraynaud 10y ago
I don't think it's smart to pay to read stuff from a group that also gets money from advertisers. You're either the product or the customer, when in doubt you'll be the product. Real subscription journalism doesn't do advertising.
- offa 10y ago
  What 'real subscription journalism' big-name newspapers that don't do advertising can you name? I am honestly struggling to think of any.
  - nraynaud 10y ago
    Sorry, I'm French, so I can only cite you 2 French ones: Le Canard Enchainé (100 yo, no website) and Mediapart (pure web). We are talking serious news: the first one discovered that a minister had sent 1500 Jews in a train during WWII, the second one has discovered the minister charged of tax collection had an undeclared bank account in Switzerland.
    - offa 10y ago
      Thank you for your reply. I can read a little bit of French, so Mediapart is something I'll keep an eye on in the future.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  Advertising-free journalism has a far higher price. Always has. Independence isn't cheap. https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/16/mode/2up https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/1...
  - nraynaud 10y ago
    Yes, and it needs to be that way, because they need to keep a treasure for the lawyers too.

by qwrusz 10y ago

nraynaud 10y ago

I don't think it's smart to pay to read stuff from a group that also gets money from advertisers. You're either the product or the customer, when in doubt you'll be the product. Real subscription journalism doesn't do advertising.

offa 10y ago
What 'real subscription journalism' big-name newspapers that don't do advertising can you name? I am honestly struggling to think of any.
- nraynaud 10y ago
  Sorry, I'm French, so I can only cite you 2 French ones: Le Canard Enchainé (100 yo, no website) and Mediapart (pure web). We are talking serious news: the first one discovered that a minister had sent 1500 Jews in a train during WWII, the second one has discovered the minister charged of tax collection had an undeclared bank account in Switzerland.
  - offa 10y ago
    Thank you for your reply. I can read a little bit of French, so Mediapart is something I'll keep an eye on in the future.
dredmorbius 10y ago
Advertising-free journalism has a far higher price. Always has. Independence isn't cheap. https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/16/mode/2up https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/1...
- nraynaud 10y ago
  Yes, and it needs to be that way, because they need to keep a treasure for the lawyers too.