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> "I stop using Adobe, and my PDF reading is faster and my machine has more cycles I can use." Great. I agree that Adobe has some pretty shitty software. No do

by tomlin 16y ago

> "I stop using Adobe, and my PDF reading is faster and my machine has more cycles I can use." Great. I agree that Adobe has some pretty shitty software. No doubt. My point is that Apple has some shitty software as well. iTunes comes to mind. --- Shitty Adobe software: "I stop using Adobe" Shitty Microsoft software: "I stopped using Micro$oft" Shitty Apple software: <insert external fault here>

stcredzero 16y ago
Either you can't see ahead one logical step, or didn't take the time. (or this is a game to make me type the obvious) For me, Shitty isn't a Boolean. It's a quantity or a qualitative assessment. I use Microsoft and Apple software because those particular examples haven't exceeded the threshold. Adobe is in a different league. Different order of magnitude, really. (And for the record, Mobile Me chased me off because it exceeded the threshold awhile back.)
- tomlin 16y ago
  Trouble is, you're talking about you. Who may be perfectly logical and make sound decisions in the software you use based on the quantified experience. I've used enough Adobe software to confidently say that all of their software is not shitty. In fact, a few tools are indispensable. Photoshop, Aftereffects, Premier come to mind. In this "Adobe vs. the world" motif, all I see is: Adobe the dirtbag, and Apple the renegade hero with faults that preclude their existence. I, for one, am sick of it. While some of it has plenty of merit, the rest of it is tea-bagging, Republican-style fact-swaying that results in false information and a false result. Due to the assumptions laid forth for the "greater cause", we end up with no resolve. Just a table of "how we feel about Adobe" to reference without the bother to verify any positions or information or learn any lessons going forward. The gang mob anti-Flash movement carries with it an original truth that no longer exists in it's current form. Which is: The Flash Player platform should be open. I tend to agree. But what we end up with is: Death to plug-in arch (a complete opposite of open-web, IMO), death to experimental UI, death to technique that exists outside of W3C. Not understanding that Flash compilers are open source. Not understanding that frameworks like Flash carry with it underestimated advantages to moving the web forward. This comment will likely get downvoted (if anyone even reads this far before deciding I am pro adobe) and some dude with a backhanded comment goes up. Logical? Nope. Trendy. Yes. We're not learning anything from Adobe nor is Adobe learning anything from their market. That's their problem, true. But it's 2010 and we're getting video in our browsers...finally. And the bad guy is Adobe. Think about that.

by tomlin 16y ago

stcredzero 16y ago

Either you can't see ahead one logical step, or didn't take the time. (or this is a game to make me type the obvious) For me, Shitty isn't a Boolean. It's a quantity or a qualitative assessment. I use Microsoft and Apple software because those particular examples haven't exceeded the threshold. Adobe is in a different league. Different order of magnitude, really. (And for the record, Mobile Me chased me off because it exceeded the threshold awhile back.)

tomlin 16y ago
Trouble is, you're talking about you. Who may be perfectly logical and make sound decisions in the software you use based on the quantified experience. I've used enough Adobe software to confidently say that all of their software is not shitty. In fact, a few tools are indispensable. Photoshop, Aftereffects, Premier come to mind. In this "Adobe vs. the world" motif, all I see is: Adobe the dirtbag, and Apple the renegade hero with faults that preclude their existence. I, for one, am sick of it. While some of it has plenty of merit, the rest of it is tea-bagging, Republican-style fact-swaying that results in false information and a false result. Due to the assumptions laid forth for the "greater cause", we end up with no resolve. Just a table of "how we feel about Adobe" to reference without the bother to verify any positions or information or learn any lessons going forward. The gang mob anti-Flash movement carries with it an original truth that no longer exists in it's current form. Which is: The Flash Player platform should be open. I tend to agree. But what we end up with is: Death to plug-in arch (a complete opposite of open-web, IMO), death to experimental UI, death to technique that exists outside of W3C. Not understanding that Flash compilers are open source. Not understanding that frameworks like Flash carry with it underestimated advantages to moving the web forward. This comment will likely get downvoted (if anyone even reads this far before deciding I am pro adobe) and some dude with a backhanded comment goes up. Logical? Nope. Trendy. Yes. We're not learning anything from Adobe nor is Adobe learning anything from their market. That's their problem, true. But it's 2010 and we're getting video in our browsers...finally. And the bad guy is Adobe. Think about that.