> They rely a lot more on their technical leads to tell them how the other devs are doing at a technical level. So the leads are de facto managers in that they

> They rely a lot more on their technical leads to tell them how the other devs are doing at a technical level. So the leads are de facto managers in that they're assisting the manager in managing the other developers. I think this can work, but I don't think it contradicts what I said. It just means the leads wind up doing some managing even though that's not what their titles say.