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Considering things from the point of view of the immigrant, the current h1b system seems to me like the only route to immigration for a person who is not except

Considering things from the point of view of the immigrant, the current h1b system seems to me like the only route to immigration for a person who is not exceptionally skilled or wealthy or connected. So there are definitely people who would like to immigrate who would lose out if it became an auction. I'm not saying those people should necessarily be a major consideration, but you did say "everyone besides companies trying to get cheaper labor".

koolba 10y ago
> Considering things from the point of view of the immigrant, the current h1b system seems to me like the only route to immigration for a person who is not exceptionally skilled or wealthy or connected. So there are definitely people who would like to immigrate who would lose out if it became an auction. Sure but the point isn't to provide a side door for immigration, it's supposed to be for filling short falls in labor that cannot be accommodated locally. > I'm not saying those people should necessarily be a major consideration, but you did say "everyone besides companies trying to get cheaper labor". That's correct though I was specifically thinking from the perspective of the USA, its citizens/permanent residents, and its corporations (both those trying to get H1-B applicants and those that aren't).
- guitarbill 10y ago
  It's not necessarily just immigration. Many young people I know have moved countries for a few years to experience a new culture, climate or whatever whilst working there. Some stay, some don't. The US makes that really hard/impossible, especially if you want to stay. So what? Well, many visa arrangements are reciprocal...
briandear 10y ago
H1 is a non immigrant visa; using for that purpose is fraudulent. Under the law, H1s should have no right to permenant residency unless they return on a proper immigrant visa -- otherwise, its vastly unfair to those that go through the legitimate process.
- anu7df 10y ago
  H1b is a dual intent visa. No crime in having immigration intent while on it.
- qadevleadgrunt 10y ago
  H1B is dual intent. Meaning that it is absolutely within the law to apply for permanent residency via the normal EB2/EB3 process.
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  Apropos of anything else, a lot of the definitions are weird. I came here on a K-1 Fiancee visa. Which was, ostensibly, a "non-immigrant" visa. Though it allowed the ability to live, work. And to remove conditions on permanent residency by submission of a form.
an_cap 10y ago
I just wanted to thank you for putting the point of view of an aspiring immigrant into the conversation. Just recently my sister completed a coding bootcamp in NYC and would gladly accept all the 'abuses' associated with being an H1B holder and then some to be able to work as a software developer in the US. I ask for no special treatment for my sister, just the decency of not using the immense power of the state from preventing her for working for a willing employer. Sort of how we don't ban black people from working as software developers even if they replace white people.

koolba 10y ago

> Considering things from the point of view of the immigrant, the current h1b system seems to me like the only route to immigration for a person who is not exceptionally skilled or wealthy or connected. So there are definitely people who would like to immigrate who would lose out if it became an auction. Sure but the point isn't to provide a side door for immigration, it's supposed to be for filling short falls in labor that cannot be accommodated locally. > I'm not saying those people should necessarily be a major consideration, but you did say "everyone besides companies trying to get cheaper labor". That's correct though I was specifically thinking from the perspective of the USA, its citizens/permanent residents, and its corporations (both those trying to get H1-B applicants and those that aren't).

guitarbill 10y ago
It's not necessarily just immigration. Many young people I know have moved countries for a few years to experience a new culture, climate or whatever whilst working there. Some stay, some don't. The US makes that really hard/impossible, especially if you want to stay. So what? Well, many visa arrangements are reciprocal...

briandear 10y ago

H1 is a non immigrant visa; using for that purpose is fraudulent. Under the law, H1s should have no right to permenant residency unless they return on a proper immigrant visa -- otherwise, its vastly unfair to those that go through the legitimate process.

anu7df 10y ago
H1b is a dual intent visa. No crime in having immigration intent while on it.
qadevleadgrunt 10y ago
H1B is dual intent. Meaning that it is absolutely within the law to apply for permanent residency via the normal EB2/EB3 process.
FireBeyond 10y ago
Apropos of anything else, a lot of the definitions are weird. I came here on a K-1 Fiancee visa. Which was, ostensibly, a "non-immigrant" visa. Though it allowed the ability to live, work. And to remove conditions on permanent residency by submission of a form.

an_cap 10y ago

I just wanted to thank you for putting the point of view of an aspiring immigrant into the conversation. Just recently my sister completed a coding bootcamp in NYC and would gladly accept all the 'abuses' associated with being an H1B holder and then some to be able to work as a software developer in the US. I ask for no special treatment for my sister, just the decency of not using the immense power of the state from preventing her for working for a willing employer. Sort of how we don't ban black people from working as software developers even if they replace white people.