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>In Slovenia an engineer with 10 years of experience makes $24,000/year. >In Silicon Valley an engineer with 0.5 years of experience makes $100,000/year. Come

>In Slovenia an engineer with 10 years of experience makes $24,000/year. >In Silicon Valley an engineer with 0.5 years of experience makes $100,000/year. Come on, you've got to compare like with like. In Montana, the median is ~$60,000, and in Georgia ~$80,000. [0] and [1] Here in Poland, I can find decent enough programmers who'll accept $2k/month salary. Their English will be poor, and typically they'll be based in the middle of nowhere. If I want to hire someone good in the capital city, Warsaw, I'll need to look at paying a minimum of $4-$5,000/month -> ~$50 - ~$60,000/year. (I've no idea what it costs to live in Montana; I'd hazard a guess that combined with a (freelancer's) 19% flat tax rate + $300/mo social security, your savings will grow faster here than there) One other area of confusion can be salaries quoted before and after tax. I know it's common to use after tax figures in Poland, and I'm not sure if your $24k is after tax; the figures you read about jobs in the US are definitely before tax. [0] https://www.sokanu.com/careers/computer-programmer/salary/Montana/ https://www.sokanu.com/careers/computer-programmer/salary/Mo... [1] https://www.sokanu.com/careers/computer-programmer/salary/Georgia/ https://www.sokanu.com/careers/computer-programmer/salary/Ge...

Swizec 10y ago
Looked it up yesterday. Average engineer salary in capital of Slovenia is 2000/month. Caveat is that everybody who's good is a self emplpyed freelancer working for US companies. So statistics don't capture them. I'd wager the average for those is around 5000/month. Freelancer flat rate tax in slovenia is 4% if you make under 100k. That part is nice but makes all my friends unambitious. Always found that part unfortunate.
- mootothemax 10y ago
  > Looked it up yesterday. Average engineer salary in capital of Slovenia is 2000/month. Yeah, and it's difficult to know who reports stuff accurately, whether that takes into account people living in backwaters vs. fancy offices in Ljubljana etc. etc. etc. For what it's worth, some Slovenians seem to be reporting healthy salaries here, although as you say, there's a good number of self employed there (and workers in Ljubljana definitely affect the average... or the other way around, you know what I mean): http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/slovenia http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/slovenia
skocznymroczny 10y ago
In Poland, when talking about salaries, we're using before tax ("brutto"). After tax is about 4/5 of the original salary ("netto").
- mootothemax 10y ago
  > In Poland, when talking about salaries, we're using before tax ("brutto"). After tax is about 4/5 of the original salary ("netto"). You do that, and I'm really happy that you do; I've had far too many confusing situations caused by people quoting netto instead, it's definitely common enough that it's something I look out for.
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  Americans always name salaries in bruto.
didymospl 10y ago
>If I want to hire someone good in the capital city, Warsaw, I'll need to look at paying a minimum of $4-$5,000/month Do you work at Google by any chance? I'd say a gross salary of $5000 is close to the ceiling pay for a developer in Poland, in Krakow/Wroclaw even $4000 is more than most employers would pay, not to mention your "middle of nowhere" [0] [1] And if you're looking for a remote worker what difference does their location make? Sources(in Polish): [0] http://gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,120733,16021624,Wysokie_place_informatykow_to_nie_mit.html http://gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,120733,16021624,Wysokie_... [1] http://www.pulshr.pl/wynagrodzenia/place-w-polsce-2016-19-branz-prawie-400-stanowisk-sprawdz-czy-zarabiasz-tyle-ile-powinienes,31092.html http://www.pulshr.pl/wynagrodzenia/place-w-polsce-2016-19-br...

Swizec 10y ago

Looked it up yesterday. Average engineer salary in capital of Slovenia is 2000/month. Caveat is that everybody who's good is a self emplpyed freelancer working for US companies. So statistics don't capture them. I'd wager the average for those is around 5000/month. Freelancer flat rate tax in slovenia is 4% if you make under 100k. That part is nice but makes all my friends unambitious. Always found that part unfortunate.

mootothemax 10y ago
> Looked it up yesterday. Average engineer salary in capital of Slovenia is 2000/month. Yeah, and it's difficult to know who reports stuff accurately, whether that takes into account people living in backwaters vs. fancy offices in Ljubljana etc. etc. etc. For what it's worth, some Slovenians seem to be reporting healthy salaries here, although as you say, there's a good number of self employed there (and workers in Ljubljana definitely affect the average... or the other way around, you know what I mean): http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/slovenia http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/slovenia

skocznymroczny 10y ago

In Poland, when talking about salaries, we're using before tax ("brutto"). After tax is about 4/5 of the original salary ("netto").

mootothemax 10y ago
> In Poland, when talking about salaries, we're using before tax ("brutto"). After tax is about 4/5 of the original salary ("netto"). You do that, and I'm really happy that you do; I've had far too many confusing situations caused by people quoting netto instead, it's definitely common enough that it's something I look out for.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Americans always name salaries in bruto.

didymospl 10y ago

>If I want to hire someone good in the capital city, Warsaw, I'll need to look at paying a minimum of $4-$5,000/month Do you work at Google by any chance? I'd say a gross salary of $5000 is close to the ceiling pay for a developer in Poland, in Krakow/Wroclaw even $4000 is more than most employers would pay, not to mention your "middle of nowhere" [0] [1] And if you're looking for a remote worker what difference does their location make? Sources(in Polish): [0] http://gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,120733,16021624,Wysokie_place_informatykow_to_nie_mit.html http://gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,120733,16021624,Wysokie_... [1] http://www.pulshr.pl/wynagrodzenia/place-w-polsce-2016-19-branz-prawie-400-stanowisk-sprawdz-czy-zarabiasz-tyle-ile-powinienes,31092.html http://www.pulshr.pl/wynagrodzenia/place-w-polsce-2016-19-br...