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Because for the longest time there was nothing both better and standardized. I've dealt with xml many times and hate it but It's better than maintaining your ow

by astine 16y ago

Because for the longest time there was nothing both better and standardized. I've dealt with xml many times and hate it but It's better than maintaining your own proprietary DTL.

prodigal_erik 16y ago
Anyone who adopted JSON could have been using s-expressions all along, but it's become a tradition to ignore everything Lisp got right until some brave soul gives it a makeover with curly braces.
- astine 16y ago
  In theory, I'll agree with you. However, as far as I know, there are no s-exp parsing libraries for any language I know but Lisp. Also s-exps as they exist in Lisp assume some Lispish concepts that don't map to all languages. Symbols, for example, don't exist in Java. JSON is a better solution for cross language portability.
- wendroid 16y ago
  (sorry I want to reply to the reply but there's no reply button for it) Saying there are no s-expression parsers for non-Lisp is ridiculous. This one's http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ for C, it's been in sourceforge since 2002. perhaps you prefer one in : Javascript - http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/javascript.plt/9/0/planet-docs/javascript/pjs.html http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/javascri... Perl - http://search.cpan.org/~nelhage/Data-SExpression-0.34/lib/Data/SExpression.pm http://search.cpan.org/~nelhage/Data-SExpression-0.34/lib/Da... Limbo - http://man.cat-v.org/inferno/6/sexprs http://man.cat-v.org/inferno/6/sexprs I shan't go on
  - astine 16y ago
    I didn't say that there weren't s-expression parsers for languages other than Lisp; just that I haven't found them. I'll be the first to admit that I haven't really been looking. But you'll note the disparity in support. A library for parsing XML with C may have existed since 2002, but it's existed for XML since 97. In Java, XML support has been baked into the JVM for a while, but S-exp parsers are hard to find. That library you list for Javascript is not a s-exp parser but rather a Scheme library for generating Javascript from a Scheme-like language. Googling for javascript and s-exps returns a lot of results like that but not many s-expression parsers. There certainly aren't any widely used and recognized libraries like there are for XML and JSON fro most languages aside from Lisp.
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by astine 16y ago

Because for the longest time there was nothing both better and standardized. I've dealt with xml many times and hate it but It's better than maintaining your own proprietary DTL.

prodigal_erik 16y ago

Anyone who adopted JSON could have been using s-expressions all along, but it's become a tradition to ignore everything Lisp got right until some brave soul gives it a makeover with curly braces.

astine 16y ago
In theory, I'll agree with you. However, as far as I know, there are no s-exp parsing libraries for any language I know but Lisp. Also s-exps as they exist in Lisp assume some Lispish concepts that don't map to all languages. Symbols, for example, don't exist in Java. JSON is a better solution for cross language portability.
wendroid 16y ago
(sorry I want to reply to the reply but there's no reply button for it) Saying there are no s-expression parsers for non-Lisp is ridiculous. This one's http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ for C, it's been in sourceforge since 2002. perhaps you prefer one in : Javascript - http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/javascript.plt/9/0/planet-docs/javascript/pjs.html http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/javascri... Perl - http://search.cpan.org/~nelhage/Data-SExpression-0.34/lib/Data/SExpression.pm http://search.cpan.org/~nelhage/Data-SExpression-0.34/lib/Da... Limbo - http://man.cat-v.org/inferno/6/sexprs http://man.cat-v.org/inferno/6/sexprs I shan't go on
- astine 16y ago
  I didn't say that there weren't s-expression parsers for languages other than Lisp; just that I haven't found them. I'll be the first to admit that I haven't really been looking. But you'll note the disparity in support. A library for parsing XML with C may have existed since 2002, but it's existed for XML since 97. In Java, XML support has been baked into the JVM for a while, but S-exp parsers are hard to find. That library you list for Javascript is not a s-exp parser but rather a Scheme library for generating Javascript from a Scheme-like language. Googling for javascript and s-exps returns a lot of results like that but not many s-expression parsers. There certainly aren't any widely used and recognized libraries like there are for XML and JSON fro most languages aside from Lisp.
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