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Edited: Removed insufficiently polite comments I live in Fremont. The Tesla plant is our #1 employer and I'd really like to keep it. I'm suggesting that the em

by cjensen 10y ago

Edited: Removed insufficiently polite comments I live in Fremont. The Tesla plant is our #1 employer and I'd really like to keep it. I'm suggesting that the employee stick to arguments that makes sense to everyone (work causing physical harm) and which are in Tesla's interest to fix. Keep away from arguments which are little more than "you should move away." I remember the GM plant closing. I don't want to see a repeat.

droithomme 10y ago
Oh, right so your response is I am a fool. Good response. You'd like to keep the factory in your town. But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions? I really don't see why someone as a resident of Fremont who has absolutely no other connection to Fremont or this factory would adopt such a position. Please enlighten me.
- steego 10y ago
  > But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions? I think you missed the part where the parent wrote: > I'm suggesting that the employee stick to arguments that makes sense to everyone (work causing physical harm) and which are in Tesla's interest to fix. Either that, or you're not here for an honest exchange of ideas.
- cjensen 10y ago
  You appear to be assuming that because I disagreed with one thing the guy said, I must disagree with all of the things he said. That is wrong: please dial back on assuming things.
- Spare_account 10y ago
  Please calm down. This is not a place for bickering. Not only that but you're misunderstanding cjensen's comments, which were suggesting that the complainant stick to the poor working conditions as the basis of their complaint. Your response challenging that they should have more concern for the poor working conditions doesn't make any sense.
- talklittle 10y ago
  You're misinterpreting cjensen's comments. This is Hacker News, where people like to use an engineering mindset to find smaller faults in arguments, even when they may agree with the overall argument. I believe cjensen's purpose in commenting was to constructively criticize the author's complaints. He's saying this one specific complaint, about regional wages, is flawed because Tesla could theoretically solve that one specific complaint in a way that hurts those workers, by moving the jobs away to a cheaper cost-of-living region. The point is that by removing the flawed argument, and keeping the legitimate arguments, the overall message becomes stronger. Your accusation "But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions." is inventing and attacking something that cjensen never said or implied.

by cjensen 10y ago

droithomme 10y ago

Oh, right so your response is I am a fool. Good response. You'd like to keep the factory in your town. But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions? I really don't see why someone as a resident of Fremont who has absolutely no other connection to Fremont or this factory would adopt such a position. Please enlighten me.

steego 10y ago
> But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions. Why is that specifically that you feel this way? That you would want your friends and neighbors to be treated abusively and subjected to needlessly dangerous conditions? I think you missed the part where the parent wrote: > I'm suggesting that the employee stick to arguments that makes sense to everyone (work causing physical harm) and which are in Tesla's interest to fix. Either that, or you're not here for an honest exchange of ideas.
cjensen 10y ago
You appear to be assuming that because I disagreed with one thing the guy said, I must disagree with all of the things he said. That is wrong: please dial back on assuming things.
Spare_account 10y ago
Please calm down. This is not a place for bickering. Not only that but you're misunderstanding cjensen's comments, which were suggesting that the complainant stick to the poor working conditions as the basis of their complaint. Your response challenging that they should have more concern for the poor working conditions doesn't make any sense.
talklittle 10y ago
You're misinterpreting cjensen's comments. This is Hacker News, where people like to use an engineering mindset to find smaller faults in arguments, even when they may agree with the overall argument. I believe cjensen's purpose in commenting was to constructively criticize the author's complaints. He's saying this one specific complaint, about regional wages, is flawed because Tesla could theoretically solve that one specific complaint in a way that hurts those workers, by moving the jobs away to a cheaper cost-of-living region. The point is that by removing the flawed argument, and keeping the legitimate arguments, the overall message becomes stronger. Your accusation "But you don't care the workers are being abused and working in unsafe conditions." is inventing and attacking something that cjensen never said or implied.