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>You should try living with your family in a house with a backyard, it's quite enjoyable and could be pretty cheap over time if you see any appreciation. You s

>You should try living with your family in a house with a backyard, it's quite enjoyable and could be pretty cheap over time if you see any appreciation. You should try living in a cabin in the woods. Way cheaper plus you get fit from chopping up firewood for the winter. Obviously only a fool would live in a city in Utah when they could live in rural Alaska for cheaper!

Zelmor 10y ago
Please leave. >>> 4chan is thataway
DannyBee 10y ago
"You should try living in a cabin in the woods." This isn't even close to a reasonable retort.
- akiselev 10y ago
  It is if you have a preference for urban environments and your choice is between SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. To each their own of course.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    Well, in SLC you are about an hour drive away from arguably the best skiing on the planet. To each their own of course.:-)
    - davidgay 10y ago
      To be fair, SF is far closer to and more practical for good skiing than London or NYC. And yes, living in the Bay Area, I miss (from Switzerland) skiing being an hour's drive away. It's all relative...
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  - WildUtah 10y ago
    Outside SF proper, the SV urban design is as bad as in Utah.
    - akiselev 10y ago
      Appropriate username :) I spent most of my time in Eden and Ogden so I don't know anything about SLC's urban design beyond my impression of the sprawl from brief visits. Personally, I think terrible urban design is the norm in the US (in no small part to suburban sprawl) and SF/Bay Area are easily some of the worst offenders in my limited experience. I can't really think of any well designed cities in California because the vast majority are parts of huge metropolitan areas where everything is so spread out that you end up driving through five or more different towns each with their own geographies and philosophies on urban design just on your daily commute. I think I'm heavily biased though, because most of the old cities in Europe seem to me to be far better despite their chaotic growth over many centuries.
      - ghaff 10y ago
        Although, interestingly, the SLC design predates cars: http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/plat-of-zion/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/plat-of-zion/
        WildUtah 10y ago
        If Brigham Young could foresee how cars would abuse the design, he would have laid out Salt Lake City like Paris or maybe like Kyoto. Alas, President Young had long since exhausted his outrageously lavish budget of divine providence just getting to Utah.
      - WildUtah 10y ago
        Yes, terrible urban design and bad infrastructure and bad policy is pervasive in the USA. You can just look at neighboring Mexico with 1/6th the per capita income and correspondingly lower public budgets where transportation, urban maintenance, and quality of city life are routinely better. And not just relatively better: Mexican cities (outside the shady border region) are nicer than American cities to live in. If you could put a typical neighborhood from Puebla or Guadalajara or León or Mexico City into Dallas or Los Angeles or San Jose or Atlanta, it would be the best, nicest neighborhood in the city. And that's not even bringing up the great cities of Europe at all. Because that would be completely unfair. It's like the health care system: Even a great country does some things horribly wrong and suffers for it.
  - dasil003 10y ago
    > SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. Funny you mention that because I make the same comparison with London vis-a-vis SF.
WhitneyLand 10y ago
Why are you acting like I said Utah was better? I said there are many reasons to live in SF. The point is I don't agree with the conclusion a family can save more living in SF. As great as SF is for some people with a young family not having a house with a backyard is a big deal. Regarding your final incorrect assumption, yes I would love living in a cabin in the woods and chopping firewood.

Zelmor 10y ago

Please leave. >>> 4chan is thataway

DannyBee 10y ago

"You should try living in a cabin in the woods." This isn't even close to a reasonable retort.

akiselev 10y ago
It is if you have a preference for urban environments and your choice is between SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. To each their own of course.
- ghaff 10y ago
  Well, in SLC you are about an hour drive away from arguably the best skiing on the planet. To each their own of course.:-)
  - davidgay 10y ago
    To be fair, SF is far closer to and more practical for good skiing than London or NYC. And yes, living in the Bay Area, I miss (from Switzerland) skiing being an hour's drive away. It's all relative...
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- WildUtah 10y ago
  Outside SF proper, the SV urban design is as bad as in Utah.
  - akiselev 10y ago
    Appropriate username :) I spent most of my time in Eden and Ogden so I don't know anything about SLC's urban design beyond my impression of the sprawl from brief visits. Personally, I think terrible urban design is the norm in the US (in no small part to suburban sprawl) and SF/Bay Area are easily some of the worst offenders in my limited experience. I can't really think of any well designed cities in California because the vast majority are parts of huge metropolitan areas where everything is so spread out that you end up driving through five or more different towns each with their own geographies and philosophies on urban design just on your daily commute. I think I'm heavily biased though, because most of the old cities in Europe seem to me to be far better despite their chaotic growth over many centuries.
    - ghaff 10y ago
      Although, interestingly, the SLC design predates cars: http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/plat-of-zion/ http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/plat-of-zion/
      - WildUtah 10y ago
        If Brigham Young could foresee how cars would abuse the design, he would have laid out Salt Lake City like Paris or maybe like Kyoto. Alas, President Young had long since exhausted his outrageously lavish budget of divine providence just getting to Utah.
    - WildUtah 10y ago
      Yes, terrible urban design and bad infrastructure and bad policy is pervasive in the USA. You can just look at neighboring Mexico with 1/6th the per capita income and correspondingly lower public budgets where transportation, urban maintenance, and quality of city life are routinely better. And not just relatively better: Mexican cities (outside the shady border region) are nicer than American cities to live in. If you could put a typical neighborhood from Puebla or Guadalajara or León or Mexico City into Dallas or Los Angeles or San Jose or Atlanta, it would be the best, nicest neighborhood in the city. And that's not even bringing up the great cities of Europe at all. Because that would be completely unfair. It's like the health care system: Even a great country does some things horribly wrong and suffers for it.
- dasil003 10y ago
  > SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. Funny you mention that because I make the same comparison with London vis-a-vis SF.

WhitneyLand 10y ago

Why are you acting like I said Utah was better? I said there are many reasons to live in SF. The point is I don't agree with the conclusion a family can save more living in SF. As great as SF is for some people with a young family not having a house with a backyard is a big deal. Regarding your final incorrect assumption, yes I would love living in a cabin in the woods and chopping firewood.