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Good. I've never read a Breitbart article, but there are few things they could say that I would find more distasteful than censorship. Interesting editorializi

Good. I've never read a Breitbart article, but there are few things they could say that I would find more distasteful than censorship. Interesting editorializing of the headline on this post.

fao_ 10y ago
> there are few things they could say that I would find more distasteful than censorship. Perhaps being supportive of people who have called for the extermination of black people and other minorities?
- crazy1van 10y ago
  Source? That's a very serious claim to not have a rock solid source backing it up.
- koolba 10y ago
  By your logic where does anyone that doesn't condemn BLM stand?
  - derrickdirge 10y ago
    When has BLM called for the extermination of anyone?
    - koolba 10y ago
      I consider throwing bricks as speaking through action: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485593473/black-lives-matter-protest-turns-violent-in-st-paul http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485593473/black-lives-matter-p...
      - illuminati1911 10y ago
        + Dallas police shooting by BLM and endless amounts of online racism. Just google "BLM + racism" and start reading.
        isleyaardvark 10y ago
        BLM leadership condemned the shooting. Googling "BLM + racism" mostly results in opponents of BLM calling them racist without backing up their arguments. This showed up in the results, and is more informative: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter...
    - notcolin 10y ago
      http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/297080-activist-lawyer-claims-death-threat-after-taking-on-anti-black-lives http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/297080-activist-...
  - legodt 10y ago
    That is the exact opposite of the black lives matter a goals. They are a black exclusive space because of a history of white people commandeering and steering social movements away from the specific struggles of black people. See: "white feminism" or the treatment of MLK's legacy in the united States Edit for the downvoting: how many of you know the goals of BLM? And am I wrong or does this not fit your narrative of the scary black rioters trying to take away your free speech?
- illuminati1911 10y ago
  What about leftist openly racist terrorist organisations like ANTIFA and BLM? Their products are being sold on Shopify as well.
  - fao_ 10y ago
    ANTIFA stands for the elimination of fascists, i.e. people who want to exterminate minorities. BLM stand for bringing the police who shot notably innocent black people to justice. Richard Spencer and the Fascist-Right have openly proposed and spoken in great depth about the sterilization and or extermination of PoC, Jews, etc. and how exactly to achieve it.
paulgb 10y ago
Refusing to do business with someone is not censorship.
- Grue3 10y ago
  Funny how similar argument is used by white nationalists to assert that they have a right not to do business with minorities. The mindsets of far left and far right are oddly similar.
  - mwpmaybe 10y ago
    You are walking around one day when you overhear someone accosting someone else. You run over to witness the accoster shouting vicious racial, religious, and/or sexual epitaphs at the accosted. You interrupt them and ask what's going on. It's clear the two don't know each other, and the accosted, who seems in shock, says he/she was just going about his/her day when this person noticed something about his/her appearance and started screaming. The accoster does not dispute this, and indeed, as soon as you've stopped asking questions, resumes accosting. If you respond to this situation by any action (other than smiling and walking away or joining in the accosting), you are demonstrating intolerance for the accoster. Even simply trying to reason with him/her about his/her beliefs demonstrates some level of intolerance. But you feel sympathy for the accosted, you don't share the views of the accoster, and you want to help in some way. This is known as the paradox of intolerance and it's a challenging philosophical issue. The argument against Shopify that is being made here is that the behavior and actions of Breitbart and similar groups and publications bring about an atmosphere that leads to intolerance towards minorities. Or, if you prefer something more concrete, a store in Indiana refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple demonstrates intolerance towards homosexuals. What can we do to help or make them stop being intolerant? How can we respond to this intolerance without demonstrating intolerance ourselves? Or is intolerance of intolerance a moral obligation?
    - ZeroFries 10y ago
      These examples just show that 100% tolerance, or tolerance of all ideas, equally, is a fairly tale proposition, not practical, and not conducive to well-functioning society. I like the concept of fuzzy-tolerance: try to understand where the accoster is coming from. Maybe some of his ideas have merit, while clearly others do not. Society should be in a constant tug-of-war, or re-negotiation, between tolerance of some ideas and intolerance of other ideas. The same thing happens, on a smaller scale, in your own mind.

Good. I've never read a Breitbart article, but there are few things they could say that I would find more distasteful than censorship. Interesting editorializing of the headline on this post.

fao_ 10y ago

> there are few things they could say that I would find more distasteful than censorship. Perhaps being supportive of people who have called for the extermination of black people and other minorities?

crazy1van 10y ago
Source? That's a very serious claim to not have a rock solid source backing it up.
koolba 10y ago
By your logic where does anyone that doesn't condemn BLM stand?
- derrickdirge 10y ago
  When has BLM called for the extermination of anyone?
  - koolba 10y ago
    I consider throwing bricks as speaking through action: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485593473/black-lives-matter-protest-turns-violent-in-st-paul http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485593473/black-lives-matter-p...
    - illuminati1911 10y ago
      + Dallas police shooting by BLM and endless amounts of online racism. Just google "BLM + racism" and start reading.
      - isleyaardvark 10y ago
        BLM leadership condemned the shooting. Googling "BLM + racism" mostly results in opponents of BLM calling them racist without backing up their arguments. This showed up in the results, and is more informative: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter-not-hate-group https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/07/19/black-lives-matter...
  - notcolin 10y ago
    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/297080-activist-lawyer-claims-death-threat-after-taking-on-anti-black-lives http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/297080-activist-...
- legodt 10y ago
  That is the exact opposite of the black lives matter a goals. They are a black exclusive space because of a history of white people commandeering and steering social movements away from the specific struggles of black people. See: "white feminism" or the treatment of MLK's legacy in the united States Edit for the downvoting: how many of you know the goals of BLM? And am I wrong or does this not fit your narrative of the scary black rioters trying to take away your free speech?
illuminati1911 10y ago
What about leftist openly racist terrorist organisations like ANTIFA and BLM? Their products are being sold on Shopify as well.
- fao_ 10y ago
  ANTIFA stands for the elimination of fascists, i.e. people who want to exterminate minorities. BLM stand for bringing the police who shot notably innocent black people to justice. Richard Spencer and the Fascist-Right have openly proposed and spoken in great depth about the sterilization and or extermination of PoC, Jews, etc. and how exactly to achieve it.

paulgb 10y ago

Refusing to do business with someone is not censorship.

Grue3 10y ago
Funny how similar argument is used by white nationalists to assert that they have a right not to do business with minorities. The mindsets of far left and far right are oddly similar.
- mwpmaybe 10y ago
  You are walking around one day when you overhear someone accosting someone else. You run over to witness the accoster shouting vicious racial, religious, and/or sexual epitaphs at the accosted. You interrupt them and ask what's going on. It's clear the two don't know each other, and the accosted, who seems in shock, says he/she was just going about his/her day when this person noticed something about his/her appearance and started screaming. The accoster does not dispute this, and indeed, as soon as you've stopped asking questions, resumes accosting. If you respond to this situation by any action (other than smiling and walking away or joining in the accosting), you are demonstrating intolerance for the accoster. Even simply trying to reason with him/her about his/her beliefs demonstrates some level of intolerance. But you feel sympathy for the accosted, you don't share the views of the accoster, and you want to help in some way. This is known as the paradox of intolerance and it's a challenging philosophical issue. The argument against Shopify that is being made here is that the behavior and actions of Breitbart and similar groups and publications bring about an atmosphere that leads to intolerance towards minorities. Or, if you prefer something more concrete, a store in Indiana refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple demonstrates intolerance towards homosexuals. What can we do to help or make them stop being intolerant? How can we respond to this intolerance without demonstrating intolerance ourselves? Or is intolerance of intolerance a moral obligation?
  - ZeroFries 10y ago
    These examples just show that 100% tolerance, or tolerance of all ideas, equally, is a fairly tale proposition, not practical, and not conducive to well-functioning society. I like the concept of fuzzy-tolerance: try to understand where the accoster is coming from. Maybe some of his ideas have merit, while clearly others do not. Society should be in a constant tug-of-war, or re-negotiation, between tolerance of some ideas and intolerance of other ideas. The same thing happens, on a smaller scale, in your own mind.