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>The idea that 'college isn't for everyone' is elitist. It really means that 'college isn't for the children of the working class, only those of the wealthy'.

>The idea that 'college isn't for everyone' is elitist. It really means that 'college isn't for the children of the working class, only those of the wealthy'. I actually think you're right that it's elitist, but I don't think this "college is not for everyone" attitude is about money, but about intelligence and personality characteristics. These things happen to also correlate with "wealthy," for values of wealthy above "working class." Some people just aren't going to be able to make it through college no matter how many resources you give them. And college as we do it now is not right for everyone either. For evidence of this, go to your local state run university and observe how many students are failing out of school because they prefer to smoke weed every day to studying. I think something like 70% of people I met in my freshman year failed out of school in this particular way. Free college wouldn't have helped them.

hackuser 10y ago
> this "college is not for everyone" attitude is about money, but about intelligence and personality characteristics. These things happen to also correlate with "wealthy," You're claim is that children born into wealthy families are naturally more intelligent? And that 70% of people in state universities flunk out, and they flunk out due to marijuana usage? Hmmm .... I think we'd need to see some basis for these theories.
- thehardsphere 10y ago
  No, I'm claiming that intelligent, conscientious people are more likely to be wealthy. There are many studies that support this. I'm also sharing an anecdote that many people who have the opportunity and resources to go to college, waste it. That's an anecdote from my own experience of going to a state university. The point of sharing it wasn't to tar everybody who goes to state universities, but to point out that there are people who will waste opportunities that they're given.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > intelligent, conscientious people are more likely to be wealthy We're talking about kids; their access to wealth depends almost entirely on their parents, not the child's own intelligence and conscientiousness.

hackuser 10y ago

> this "college is not for everyone" attitude is about money, but about intelligence and personality characteristics. These things happen to also correlate with "wealthy," You're claim is that children born into wealthy families are naturally more intelligent? And that 70% of people in state universities flunk out, and they flunk out due to marijuana usage? Hmmm .... I think we'd need to see some basis for these theories.

thehardsphere 10y ago
No, I'm claiming that intelligent, conscientious people are more likely to be wealthy. There are many studies that support this. I'm also sharing an anecdote that many people who have the opportunity and resources to go to college, waste it. That's an anecdote from my own experience of going to a state university. The point of sharing it wasn't to tar everybody who goes to state universities, but to point out that there are people who will waste opportunities that they're given.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > intelligent, conscientious people are more likely to be wealthy We're talking about kids; their access to wealth depends almost entirely on their parents, not the child's own intelligence and conscientiousness.