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I tried very hard to avoid whataboutism in my post and I never defended the US.

• the-dude 10y ago
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  • aaron-lebo 10y ago
    Yes, because previously I stated: It's easy to criticize the US government but Chinese hegemony might be far worse. I thought that was enough to avoid defending the US, but I guess not.
    • the-dude 10y ago
      That is because in your whole post you fail to raise any significant point. It just a bit of hand-waving about the US being better than the Chinese. It just oozes American Exceptionalism without any substance.
      • candiodari 10y ago
        Ok then: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death-van-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-te...
        • the-dude 10y ago
          Are you arguing Chinese death sentences are less humane than US ones? A pretty weak point to make.
          • candiodari 10y ago
            I am saying that a government that gets accused on a regular basis of things from religious discrimination to organ trading, on occasion even by credible sources, is unlikely to be better than the US government. Most Chinese people I work with would agree with that too. They left China, they know why, and they're mostly not looking to get back.
            • the-dude 10y ago
              The only differing aspect I see is this: the Chinese primarily mistreat their own citizens. The US primarily mistreat whoever opposes their interests. The latter actually affects me, being a non-US citizen.
              • candiodari 10y ago
                Have you looked at China's trade balance ? China is the cause of the worldwide austerity measures (not 100%, but 90%). So I guarantee you it is affecting you personally, even in San Francisco.
                • the-dude 10y ago
                  Are you comparing killing people and economic policies? And do they not have the right to establish their own policies? Do you have sources for this claim? All I can remember is some financial crisis around 2009 which lead to economic downturn and austerity. I seem to remember this crisis originated in ... the US? You disagree? And I hated SF, very happy in Groningen for some time now.
            • bgee 10y ago
              > and they're mostly not looking to get back. The Chinese sitting across my desk just happily came back from China, the Chinese sitting besides me will go back to China in two weeks and has been looking forward to it since Christmas. I would have gone back to China during Christmas if I had enough PTOs. Actually all the Chinese folks I know since college all go back to China on a regular basis (usually at lease twice a year). So what kind of Chinese do you work with?
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        • randomanon8187 10y ago
          Just related to the source, but today in the news was that Wikipedia no longer accepts the daily mail as a valid source. The thing in it may or may not be true. First result searching for daily mail Wikipedia: https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/09/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/09/wikipedia-bans-daily-mai...
          • the-dude 10y ago
            To be honest the piece reads as Godwin's Law disguised as an article so I am not surprised.