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I'm not sure it's necessarily a good comparison, though. As I recall, Waymo's testing is mostly freeway and suburban driving. I'd be curious to see how much of

I'm not sure it's necessarily a good comparison, though. As I recall, Waymo's testing is mostly freeway and suburban driving. I'd be curious to see how much of their testing is done in a heavily urban environment, such as downtown SF or Oakland, and how it affects their disengage numbers.

Animats 10y ago
Waymo's testing is mostly on suburban streets in Mountain View CA, with another test unit in Austin. Their accident reports are usually from Mountain View, and it's almost always them being rear-ended.
- antisthenes 10y ago
  Rear-ended is probably a good thing, since that means automation is erring on the side of caution and applying braking when necessary or when uncertainty is above a certain threshold. Of course someone could make the argument that excessive braking is dangerous, but honestly, the shit I see drivers do behind the wheel of their car weekly (eating, texting, putting on makeup, shaving), I'd prefer excessive braking over any of that.
  - Animats 10y ago
    Many of Google's rear-endings occur at intersections where there's obstructed visibility to the side. The autonomous vehicle moves slightly forward into the intersection, detects cross traffic, and stops. Someone behind them then hits them at slow speed.[1][2] [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/4a39c1b9-ca1f-4184-8b78-96d6baf98628/Google_102616.pdf?MOD=AJPERES https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/4a39c1b9-ca1f-4184... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/69feb1fa-ff90-4b7a-b8b4-dcaacdb20c65/Google_090716.pdf?MOD=AJPERES https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/69feb1fa-ff90-4b7a...
    - autotypo 10y ago
      Sounds like it needed to check for tailgaters before braking, as humans must do in most city driving. This must be improved by now.
  - dsfyu404ed 10y ago
    Driving like a moron is unsafe times 1. Driving to the letter of the law and as timid as possible is unsafe times how ever many people get fed up with your crap and do something dumb to pass you. It's roughly analogous to doing the speed limit in the left lane.

Animats 10y ago

Waymo's testing is mostly on suburban streets in Mountain View CA, with another test unit in Austin. Their accident reports are usually from Mountain View, and it's almost always them being rear-ended.

antisthenes 10y ago
Rear-ended is probably a good thing, since that means automation is erring on the side of caution and applying braking when necessary or when uncertainty is above a certain threshold. Of course someone could make the argument that excessive braking is dangerous, but honestly, the shit I see drivers do behind the wheel of their car weekly (eating, texting, putting on makeup, shaving), I'd prefer excessive braking over any of that.
- Animats 10y ago
  Many of Google's rear-endings occur at intersections where there's obstructed visibility to the side. The autonomous vehicle moves slightly forward into the intersection, detects cross traffic, and stops. Someone behind them then hits them at slow speed.[1][2] [1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/4a39c1b9-ca1f-4184-8b78-96d6baf98628/Google_102616.pdf?MOD=AJPERES https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/4a39c1b9-ca1f-4184... [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/69feb1fa-ff90-4b7a-b8b4-dcaacdb20c65/Google_090716.pdf?MOD=AJPERES https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/69feb1fa-ff90-4b7a...
  - autotypo 10y ago
    Sounds like it needed to check for tailgaters before braking, as humans must do in most city driving. This must be improved by now.
- dsfyu404ed 10y ago
  Driving like a moron is unsafe times 1. Driving to the letter of the law and as timid as possible is unsafe times how ever many people get fed up with your crap and do something dumb to pass you. It's roughly analogous to doing the speed limit in the left lane.