That's probably a fair criticism, but how many people are still fully efficient 8 hours in? I think as an employer you have to accept that you are going to be g

That's probably a fair criticism, but how many people are still fully efficient 8 hours in? I think as an employer you have to accept that you are going to be getting some hours out of your employees that are not fully productive, and ask yourself if getting some productivity during those hours is better than getting none. 9/80 sounds like a good tradeoff. I had never heard of it before this thread. That's why I love HN. It's better than /r/todayilearned/