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Taipai, Taiwan. I believe it had trouble in one engine briefly after takeoff, and the pilots tried turning it on and off again. Unfortunately they turned off th

by ldp01 10y ago

Taipai, Taiwan. I believe it had trouble in one engine briefly after takeoff, and the pilots tried turning it on and off again. Unfortunately they turned off the still-functioning engine and it plummeted into a river. You might remember the shot of it flying over a bridge, rolled 90 degrees and so close to the ground that the wing partly sheared off.

FabHK 10y ago
You're referring to the Transasia in Taiwan. GP probably was about the Asiana 214 into SFO, RW 28 L, where the ILS was inoperative, so it was a bog standard visual approach into a nice long runway in beautiful weather in a flawless Boeing 777 that the crew botched. (First fatal crash of a 777 - great plane!) However, the 777 supports the point made way above: the planes and systems are so good these days that most accidents are freak accidents. Let's look at 777 hull losses: * 2008, BA 38 into LHR: weird problem with frozen fuel filter (no fatalities) * 2011, EgyptAir 667 on the ground in Cairo: fire (no fatalities) * 2013, Asiana 214 into SFO: inop ILS, suboptimal crew resource management (a few fatalities, one run over by fire truck) * 2014, MH 370: freak freak freak freaky * 2014, MH 17: shot down over Ukraine * 2015, BA 2276 in Las Vegas: uncontained engine failure (no fatalities) * 2016, Emirates 521 in Dubai: crash on botched go-around (one fatality, fire fighter) So, I'd say there were some crew problems, some design problems (hopefully fixed), and many really freaky confluences of unfortunate circumstances...
6stringmerc 10y ago
Yeah originally the news cycle had some spin on it - I clearly remember some lines about "Wow check out the heroic actions by the pilot to avoid crashing into any buildings!" and later when the cockpit recorder came out, uhhh, not so heroic. Human, an error...preventable? Up for debate but I like to think a lot of US regulated pilots would be able to handle it appropriately.

by ldp01 10y ago

FabHK 10y ago

You're referring to the Transasia in Taiwan. GP probably was about the Asiana 214 into SFO, RW 28 L, where the ILS was inoperative, so it was a bog standard visual approach into a nice long runway in beautiful weather in a flawless Boeing 777 that the crew botched. (First fatal crash of a 777 - great plane!) However, the 777 supports the point made way above: the planes and systems are so good these days that most accidents are freak accidents. Let's look at 777 hull losses: * 2008, BA 38 into LHR: weird problem with frozen fuel filter (no fatalities) * 2011, EgyptAir 667 on the ground in Cairo: fire (no fatalities) * 2013, Asiana 214 into SFO: inop ILS, suboptimal crew resource management (a few fatalities, one run over by fire truck) * 2014, MH 370: freak freak freak freaky * 2014, MH 17: shot down over Ukraine * 2015, BA 2276 in Las Vegas: uncontained engine failure (no fatalities) * 2016, Emirates 521 in Dubai: crash on botched go-around (one fatality, fire fighter) So, I'd say there were some crew problems, some design problems (hopefully fixed), and many really freaky confluences of unfortunate circumstances...

6stringmerc 10y ago

Yeah originally the news cycle had some spin on it - I clearly remember some lines about "Wow check out the heroic actions by the pilot to avoid crashing into any buildings!" and later when the cockpit recorder came out, uhhh, not so heroic. Human, an error...preventable? Up for debate but I like to think a lot of US regulated pilots would be able to handle it appropriately.