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Right. The record of history is pretty clear that world powers can and have acted within a broad latitude of barbarity towards weaker nations, mostly on the 'b
by bmmayer1 10y ago
Right.
The record of history is pretty clear that world powers can and have acted within a broad latitude of barbarity towards weaker nations, mostly on the 'barbaric' end of the spectrum.
The record of history is also pretty clear that the US is the most docile and harmless of world powers that has ever existed. There's a reason we call it the Pax Americana--the 'overwhelming power' of the US has contributed to the peace, freedom and wealth of billions of people around the globe who aren't American. Let's compare that record with a random 'world superpower' selection:
- Ancient Rome (constant war on the frontiers, relentless expansionism and imperialism)
- Umayyad Caliphate (forced conversion by the sword, constant aggression towards neighbors)
- Genghis Khan (mass murdering, raping, genocidal maniac)
- the British Empire (slave trade, colonial domination)
- The Soviet Union (worldwide support and funding of mass murderer by proxy)
There has to be some perspective when talking about the US's role as the world police. There will always be a world superpower, and that superpower has the power to exercise restraint and civility when dealing with other nations. On that front 20th to 21st century America has taken an active role in:
- Stabilizing world order through active involvement in mediating inter-national conflicts (League of Nations, then the United Nations)
- Promoting globalization, free trade and free flow of capital and people amongst the nations of the world, including rival powers like Russia and China
- Protecting NATO allies from the specter of the Soviet Union (for decades a very real threat to international peace, prosperity & stability)
- Preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons which have apocalyptic potential to end life as we know it
Now, it's hard to see how our (many admittedly unjustified) interventions in various regimes and countries throughout history outweighs the remarkable achievements of the Pax Americana. It would be hard to find another world superpower in history that comes anywhere close to the US in terms of stable, safe, prosperous and peaceful world governance.
- wz1000 10y agoWith regards to domestic policy, the US was miles better than the USSR. With regards to foreign policy, the distinction isnt anywhere near that clear. The US has supported mass murders in Guatemala, Iran, Nicaragua, Pakistan/Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq since WW2 and I'm sure I'm missing a few. The nuclear arms race was also hardly one sided, and Kennedy in particular has a terrible record when it came to the imminent nuclear destruction of the world. The Cuban missile crisis was sparked of by NATO and US troop movements in Turkey and Eastern Europe. The United Nations in particular was deliberately crippled by the US. There are quotes from officials under Nixon and Ford who said they were deliberately instructed to sabotage UN proceedings relating to the Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh. There are also numerous such instances where the US has dramatically opposed international consensus and blocked the functioning of international agencies relating to Israel/Palestine, Rwanda, Cuba, Indonesia/East Timor and Nicaragua.
- arethuza 10y ago"Kennedy in particular has a terrible record when it came to the imminent nuclear destruction of the world" To be fair to Kennedy - I think he pretty much prevented a war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. A weaker president might have gone with the recommendations to invade Cuba and that would probably have turned out rather badly for all concerned (particularly the Cubans and Soviets).
- mirimir 10y agoHe and Khrushchev did that together. As I recall, it was Khrushchev who suggested trading US missiles in Turkey and Italy for Soviet missiles in Cuba. And it was arguably a far greater political risk for Khrushchev.
- musha68k 10y agoI don't see neither FDR nor Reagan in Trump, mostly bitter regression. So if the "Pax Americana" is failing, what comes next? How can we do better as a species this time?
- ionised 10y agoI really hope you're trolling with this.