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The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whate

by anondon 10y ago

The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reasons), one of the side effects is that it's a lot easier to share such gross violations of law an example of which are the above videos. In a way social networks give people power.

Spooky23 10y ago
I disagree, at least for more local issues. Social media or other attention platforms only help if there's a single action that needs to happen. Case in point: a few neighbors had a shitbird stealing milk bottles delivered to our porches. The police obviously aren't sending in the detectives for 4-5 $2 bottles a week. But we captured the guy in camera, did a social media assault that attracted the news. A city fireman saw the guy on TV, recognized him from another petty theft, and called his cop friend who found the guy. That's what social media does for individual or small group problems. If you have a problem with a building project or city action, social media will attract sympathetic comments and crazy people. To get action, you need to round up people and show up at events and hearings. I've helped people out fighting powerful interests.l at a local level. They always fight back, but in modern America you don't have people showing up to rape your wife or beat you. At the end of the day, powerful people need money, and its very possible to create the perception of risk that will slow down the funding stream. That tends to solve David v. Goliath issues.
aisofteng 10y ago
>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi.
- nitrogen 10y ago
  It may not take exactly the same shape in the US, but a friend of a friend employed by some billionaires was injured on the job, and when the employee made a workplace injury claim, the company sued the employee. They play other psychological techniques to keep the other employees from speaking up or leaving. [Deliberately vague]
- marklgr 10y ago
  > its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi. Are we talking of the country of COINTELPRO, that killed civil rights activists, or obliterated unions and the US socialist party by force and shady tactics? it's like, you can say what you want, as long as it has zero consequences -- otherwise, prepare to meet some serious shit.
  - strictnein 10y ago
    We destroyed the unions so hard that there are over 7 million government employees who are members of various unions. Because when a government really destroys a group they let huge swaths of their own employees join that group.
    - marklgr 10y ago
      No, they make sure that what's left as unions is pretty much harmless.
  - Nano2rad 10y ago
    Where are the unions in Indian IT companies and BPOs?
- sametmax 10y ago
  It's because in the US, corruption is just legal thanks to lobbying. Plus, you are in a country where you can go to war to satisfy your friends benefit. Lie blatantly about the motives. Spend billions of dollars for it in a country in massive debt. Get caught doing so. Yet ignore international instutiions, go kill thousands of people anyway and get away with it. You are in a country bailing the banks that ruined themself. You are in a country where it's legal to snatch somebody without a trial. Where you can get in secret prisons and be tortured. All that justified by events that killed less people than the flu. Where massive surveillance is allowed by politicians for security, yet they ban all attempt of transparency on their own actions. The only difference with India is that they are better at it : - they don't make it obvious and chocking enough so that it leads to a strong reaction - they use all the tricks in the book to divert attention But in the end, the US is so corrupted it could be a case study for future historians. France is pretty much the same, mind you. We have just less guns and more smug.
peteretep 10y ago
> well connected people to whatever > they want and get away with no > consequences > It's true practically everywhere > in the world With the occasional glaring exception (Jimmy Savile, for example) I simply don't believe that's true in most of Western Europe. The press, the judiciary, the police, and the civil service are strong institutions. Reading up on "Plebgate" will give you a feel for the truly pedestrian nature of power abuse in the UK, and what happens when the police go rogue.
- Griffinsauce 10y ago
  Don't underestimate how much you don't see. Millionaires fly without even seeing border security, meanwhile every other person spends hours waiting in line. It may not be beatings in the street but there are many laws that simply don't apply when you're rich enough.
  - peteretep 10y ago
    > Millionaires fly without > even seeing border security For clarity, you're saying that it's possible to arrive in -- for example -- the UK without being subject to immigration or border controls? If you're merely pointing out that it's possible to receive much speedier service with money, then yes, there are a wealth of commercially available options operated by airports, private and public alike. That's hardly evidence of corruption.
    - flukus 10y ago
      You ever see the president get a pat down when he returns from over seas?
      - smallnamespace 10y ago
        I'm as much in favor of equal application of laws as anyone else, but please explain how wasting the President's time would help anyone else one iota?
puranjay 10y ago
You are severely exaggerating the US and severely underreporting the state of lawlessness in India. You can get shot for simply brushing some up jumped real estate dealer's car in the capital city - a friend's colleague had to learn the hard way.

by anondon 10y ago

Spooky23 10y ago

I disagree, at least for more local issues. Social media or other attention platforms only help if there's a single action that needs to happen. Case in point: a few neighbors had a shitbird stealing milk bottles delivered to our porches. The police obviously aren't sending in the detectives for 4-5 $2 bottles a week. But we captured the guy in camera, did a social media assault that attracted the news. A city fireman saw the guy on TV, recognized him from another petty theft, and called his cop friend who found the guy. That's what social media does for individual or small group problems. If you have a problem with a building project or city action, social media will attract sympathetic comments and crazy people. To get action, you need to round up people and show up at events and hearings. I've helped people out fighting powerful interests.l at a local level. They always fight back, but in modern America you don't have people showing up to rape your wife or beat you. At the end of the day, powerful people need money, and its very possible to create the perception of risk that will slow down the funding stream. That tends to solve David v. Goliath issues.

aisofteng 10y ago

>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi.

nitrogen 10y ago
It may not take exactly the same shape in the US, but a friend of a friend employed by some billionaires was injured on the job, and when the employee made a workplace injury claim, the company sued the employee. They play other psychological techniques to keep the other employees from speaking up or leaving. [Deliberately vague]
marklgr 10y ago
> its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi. Are we talking of the country of COINTELPRO, that killed civil rights activists, or obliterated unions and the US socialist party by force and shady tactics? it's like, you can say what you want, as long as it has zero consequences -- otherwise, prepare to meet some serious shit.
- strictnein 10y ago
  We destroyed the unions so hard that there are over 7 million government employees who are members of various unions. Because when a government really destroys a group they let huge swaths of their own employees join that group.
  - marklgr 10y ago
    No, they make sure that what's left as unions is pretty much harmless.
- Nano2rad 10y ago
  Where are the unions in Indian IT companies and BPOs?
sametmax 10y ago
It's because in the US, corruption is just legal thanks to lobbying. Plus, you are in a country where you can go to war to satisfy your friends benefit. Lie blatantly about the motives. Spend billions of dollars for it in a country in massive debt. Get caught doing so. Yet ignore international instutiions, go kill thousands of people anyway and get away with it. You are in a country bailing the banks that ruined themself. You are in a country where it's legal to snatch somebody without a trial. Where you can get in secret prisons and be tortured. All that justified by events that killed less people than the flu. Where massive surveillance is allowed by politicians for security, yet they ban all attempt of transparency on their own actions. The only difference with India is that they are better at it : - they don't make it obvious and chocking enough so that it leads to a strong reaction - they use all the tricks in the book to divert attention But in the end, the US is so corrupted it could be a case study for future historians. France is pretty much the same, mind you. We have just less guns and more smug.

peteretep 10y ago

> well connected people to whatever > they want and get away with no > consequences > It's true practically everywhere > in the world With the occasional glaring exception (Jimmy Savile, for example) I simply don't believe that's true in most of Western Europe. The press, the judiciary, the police, and the civil service are strong institutions. Reading up on "Plebgate" will give you a feel for the truly pedestrian nature of power abuse in the UK, and what happens when the police go rogue.

Griffinsauce 10y ago
Don't underestimate how much you don't see. Millionaires fly without even seeing border security, meanwhile every other person spends hours waiting in line. It may not be beatings in the street but there are many laws that simply don't apply when you're rich enough.
- peteretep 10y ago
  > Millionaires fly without > even seeing border security For clarity, you're saying that it's possible to arrive in -- for example -- the UK without being subject to immigration or border controls? If you're merely pointing out that it's possible to receive much speedier service with money, then yes, there are a wealth of commercially available options operated by airports, private and public alike. That's hardly evidence of corruption.
  - flukus 10y ago
    You ever see the president get a pat down when he returns from over seas?
    - smallnamespace 10y ago
      I'm as much in favor of equal application of laws as anyone else, but please explain how wasting the President's time would help anyone else one iota?

puranjay 10y ago

You are severely exaggerating the US and severely underreporting the state of lawlessness in India. You can get shot for simply brushing some up jumped real estate dealer's car in the capital city - a friend's colleague had to learn the hard way.