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The Article doesn't cover basics of Criminality of Indian Politicians. These are just two example in last week from 1 south Indian state caught on camera (Beca

by kumarm 10y ago

The Article doesn't cover basics of Criminality of Indian Politicians. These are just two example in last week from 1 south Indian state caught on camera (Because Local media would not cover since pretty much media in state supports ruling party): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOueUSVSuYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOueUSVSuYk [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hG2fqW-tcM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hG2fqW-tcM [2] Very rarely criminality of Indian politicians comes out because Media do not want to cover it. These showed up because someone could record. But in both cases, elected representatives and their goons are already out of trouble. India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. [1]A journalist being beaten by local representatives brother because he wrote on their corruption. [2]Goons of local representative beating a women (1 eyed mind you) because she didn't agree for their illegal construction in front of her house.

anondon 10y ago
The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reasons), one of the side effects is that it's a lot easier to share such gross violations of law an example of which are the above videos. In a way social networks give people power.
- Spooky23 10y ago
  I disagree, at least for more local issues. Social media or other attention platforms only help if there's a single action that needs to happen. Case in point: a few neighbors had a shitbird stealing milk bottles delivered to our porches. The police obviously aren't sending in the detectives for 4-5 $2 bottles a week. But we captured the guy in camera, did a social media assault that attracted the news. A city fireman saw the guy on TV, recognized him from another petty theft, and called his cop friend who found the guy. That's what social media does for individual or small group problems. If you have a problem with a building project or city action, social media will attract sympathetic comments and crazy people. To get action, you need to round up people and show up at events and hearings. I've helped people out fighting powerful interests.l at a local level. They always fight back, but in modern America you don't have people showing up to rape your wife or beat you. At the end of the day, powerful people need money, and its very possible to create the perception of risk that will slow down the funding stream. That tends to solve David v. Goliath issues.
- aisofteng 10y ago
  >People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi.
  - nitrogen 10y ago
    It may not take exactly the same shape in the US, but a friend of a friend employed by some billionaires was injured on the job, and when the employee made a workplace injury claim, the company sued the employee. They play other psychological techniques to keep the other employees from speaking up or leaving. [Deliberately vague]
  - marklgr 10y ago
    > its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi. Are we talking of the country of COINTELPRO, that killed civil rights activists, or obliterated unions and the US socialist party by force and shady tactics? it's like, you can say what you want, as long as it has zero consequences -- otherwise, prepare to meet some serious shit.
    - strictnein 10y ago
      We destroyed the unions so hard that there are over 7 million government employees who are members of various unions. Because when a government really destroys a group they let huge swaths of their own employees join that group.
      - marklgr 10y ago
        No, they make sure that what's left as unions is pretty much harmless.
    - Nano2rad 10y ago
      Where are the unions in Indian IT companies and BPOs?
- peteretep 10y ago
  > well connected people to whatever > they want and get away with no > consequences > It's true practically everywhere > in the world With the occasional glaring exception (Jimmy Savile, for example) I simply don't believe that's true in most of Western Europe. The press, the judiciary, the police, and the civil service are strong institutions. Reading up on "Plebgate" will give you a feel for the truly pedestrian nature of power abuse in the UK, and what happens when the police go rogue.
  - Griffinsauce 10y ago
    Don't underestimate how much you don't see. Millionaires fly without even seeing border security, meanwhile every other person spends hours waiting in line. It may not be beatings in the street but there are many laws that simply don't apply when you're rich enough.
    - peteretep 10y ago
      > Millionaires fly without > even seeing border security For clarity, you're saying that it's possible to arrive in -- for example -- the UK without being subject to immigration or border controls? If you're merely pointing out that it's possible to receive much speedier service with money, then yes, there are a wealth of commercially available options operated by airports, private and public alike. That's hardly evidence of corruption.
      - flukus 10y ago
        You ever see the president get a pat down when he returns from over seas?
        smallnamespace 10y ago
        I'm as much in favor of equal application of laws as anyone else, but please explain how wasting the President's time would help anyone else one iota?
- puranjay 10y ago
  You are severely exaggerating the US and severely underreporting the state of lawlessness in India. You can get shot for simply brushing some up jumped real estate dealer's car in the capital city - a friend's colleague had to learn the hard way.
valgaze 10y ago
"Because Local media would not cover since pretty much media in state supports ruling party)' --What's the arrangement there? Do the parties own/control the local press or is the press frightened of the parties? Jason Jones from the Daily Show years ago did a piece about not "fake news" in India but "paid news" for politicians, pretty interesting: * Video: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/mrx7ec/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-india-jones-and-the-election-of-doom---media-bias http://www.cc.com/video-clips/mrx7ec/the-daily-show-with-jon... * Reality check: https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-was-The-Daily-Shows-expose-of-Indian-newspapers https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-was-The-Daily-Shows-expos...
sametmax 10y ago
Most occidental countries have corrupted politicians as well. They are just better at playing the system to never be convicted. In France the elite is incredibly good at it. The best example of this is Charles Pasqua. He has been linked to many, many, manyyyyyyyy shady cases, but every time found innocent : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pasqua https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pasqua What's coming now is worst. The old generation was trying to cover their track. The new one doesn't even bother. They are exposed, play a little TV game, and then carry on like nothing happened. It works so why not ?
puranjay 10y ago
As an Indian, there are two things I take for granted: 1. Politicians, by default, are corrupt. They are also not to be trifled with - if I accidentally bump into a small-time politician's car at a signal, I'm hightailing it out of there lest I get beaten up. 2. If I get into trouble (especially with a politician or a well-connected person), the last person I'll turn to for help are the cops.

by kumarm 10y ago

anondon 10y ago

The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reasons), one of the side effects is that it's a lot easier to share such gross violations of law an example of which are the above videos. In a way social networks give people power.

Spooky23 10y ago
I disagree, at least for more local issues. Social media or other attention platforms only help if there's a single action that needs to happen. Case in point: a few neighbors had a shitbird stealing milk bottles delivered to our porches. The police obviously aren't sending in the detectives for 4-5 $2 bottles a week. But we captured the guy in camera, did a social media assault that attracted the news. A city fireman saw the guy on TV, recognized him from another petty theft, and called his cop friend who found the guy. That's what social media does for individual or small group problems. If you have a problem with a building project or city action, social media will attract sympathetic comments and crazy people. To get action, you need to round up people and show up at events and hearings. I've helped people out fighting powerful interests.l at a local level. They always fight back, but in modern America you don't have people showing up to rape your wife or beat you. At the end of the day, powerful people need money, and its very possible to create the perception of risk that will slow down the funding stream. That tends to solve David v. Goliath issues.
aisofteng 10y ago
>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi.
- nitrogen 10y ago
  It may not take exactly the same shape in the US, but a friend of a friend employed by some billionaires was injured on the job, and when the employee made a workplace injury claim, the company sued the employee. They play other psychological techniques to keep the other employees from speaking up or leaving. [Deliberately vague]
- marklgr 10y ago
  > its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi. Are we talking of the country of COINTELPRO, that killed civil rights activists, or obliterated unions and the US socialist party by force and shady tactics? it's like, you can say what you want, as long as it has zero consequences -- otherwise, prepare to meet some serious shit.
  - strictnein 10y ago
    We destroyed the unions so hard that there are over 7 million government employees who are members of various unions. Because when a government really destroys a group they let huge swaths of their own employees join that group.
    - marklgr 10y ago
      No, they make sure that what's left as unions is pretty much harmless.
  - Nano2rad 10y ago
    Where are the unions in Indian IT companies and BPOs?
peteretep 10y ago
> well connected people to whatever > they want and get away with no > consequences > It's true practically everywhere > in the world With the occasional glaring exception (Jimmy Savile, for example) I simply don't believe that's true in most of Western Europe. The press, the judiciary, the police, and the civil service are strong institutions. Reading up on "Plebgate" will give you a feel for the truly pedestrian nature of power abuse in the UK, and what happens when the police go rogue.
- Griffinsauce 10y ago
  Don't underestimate how much you don't see. Millionaires fly without even seeing border security, meanwhile every other person spends hours waiting in line. It may not be beatings in the street but there are many laws that simply don't apply when you're rich enough.
  - peteretep 10y ago
    > Millionaires fly without > even seeing border security For clarity, you're saying that it's possible to arrive in -- for example -- the UK without being subject to immigration or border controls? If you're merely pointing out that it's possible to receive much speedier service with money, then yes, there are a wealth of commercially available options operated by airports, private and public alike. That's hardly evidence of corruption.
    - flukus 10y ago
      You ever see the president get a pat down when he returns from over seas?
      - smallnamespace 10y ago
        I'm as much in favor of equal application of laws as anyone else, but please explain how wasting the President's time would help anyone else one iota?
puranjay 10y ago
You are severely exaggerating the US and severely underreporting the state of lawlessness in India. You can get shot for simply brushing some up jumped real estate dealer's car in the capital city - a friend's colleague had to learn the hard way.

valgaze 10y ago

"Because Local media would not cover since pretty much media in state supports ruling party)' --What's the arrangement there? Do the parties own/control the local press or is the press frightened of the parties? Jason Jones from the Daily Show years ago did a piece about not "fake news" in India but "paid news" for politicians, pretty interesting: * Video: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/mrx7ec/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-india-jones-and-the-election-of-doom---media-bias http://www.cc.com/video-clips/mrx7ec/the-daily-show-with-jon... * Reality check: https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-was-The-Daily-Shows-expose-of-Indian-newspapers https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-was-The-Daily-Shows-expos...

sametmax 10y ago

Most occidental countries have corrupted politicians as well. They are just better at playing the system to never be convicted. In France the elite is incredibly good at it. The best example of this is Charles Pasqua. He has been linked to many, many, manyyyyyyyy shady cases, but every time found innocent : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pasqua https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Pasqua What's coming now is worst. The old generation was trying to cover their track. The new one doesn't even bother. They are exposed, play a little TV game, and then carry on like nothing happened. It works so why not ?

puranjay 10y ago

As an Indian, there are two things I take for granted: 1. Politicians, by default, are corrupt. They are also not to be trifled with - if I accidentally bump into a small-time politician's car at a signal, I'm hightailing it out of there lest I get beaten up. 2. If I get into trouble (especially with a politician or a well-connected person), the last person I'll turn to for help are the cops.