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The article states there was 198 souls on board

Pxtl 10y ago
The article is confusingly worded, mentioning 25 passengers and 7 crew in another part... Which are also described as 25% of occupants, but that's not 25% of 198.
- spuz 10y ago
  Thanks, those figures were confusing me. I wasn't sure if there were 32 or 198 people on board.
- illys 10y ago
  Other figures are also surprising: "a maximum indicated air speed of 358kt (662km/h), or Mach 0.9", while at 30000ft, Mach 0.9 is typically 983.7 km/h(source among others: https://www.globalaircraft.org/converter.htm https://www.globalaircraft.org/converter.htm) Maybe "indicated" makes a difference, but so wide?
  - knute 10y ago
    The outside of the airplane has a forward-pointing tube called a pitot tube. As the airplane travels forward, air is compressed into this tube. By measuring the pressure, you can derive the airspeed. However the higher you go, the lower the ambient air pressure is and so the "indicated airspeed" is not at all accurate. However indicated airspeed is still very useful as it measures the air resistance the aircraft is encountering which determines lift and airframe stresses (which is why the airframe speed limit is in indicated airspeed and not actual airspeed).
    - mcguire 10y ago
      Indicated airspeed is not related to ground speed, but indicated airspeed is the important number, as far as keeping the aircraft in the air is concerned.
    - Pxtl 10y ago
      On the subject of indicated airspeed, does the mach number have the same meaning? That is, if the aircraft had reached an indicated airspeed of Mach 1, would they break the sound barrier and experience a sonic boom?
      - bb611 10y ago
        I think you have some confusion about indicated airspeed - it's used because it provides pilots with predictable information about how the plane will react, it's not indicative of the actual speed of the plane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed They were truly at 0.9 mach, had they increased speed by 11% they would have broken the sound barrier, well before the indicated air speed would have read a >mach 1 number.
- 1_2__3 10y ago
  Yeah, this is what threw me: "“Up to 24% of the aircraft occupants were rendered temporarily unfit for duties following the incident,” the report adds, referring to 25 passengers and seven crew members." I read that as 'up to 24% of the 25 passengers and seven crew members'. I completely missed the quote at the bottom (beneath the image) that refers to the 198 people. And you're right, the figures don't add up anyway.
sanatgersappa 10y ago
souls. Not bodies.
- JshWright 10y ago
  Not sure if you're serious or not, but 'souls' is the term used to refer to everyone onboard a plane (when declaring an emergency, etc)
  - gumby 10y ago
    It was a military plane. It would not be astonishing if it turned out that the number of bodies aboard were significantly greater than the number of souls aboard. (Actually the way I see it there are never more than zero souls aboard, but I understand it's a metaphor)
    - JshWright 10y ago
      It's not a metaphor, it's just jargon. It's how the total number of people on board an aircraft is clearly expressed without the confusion of "I've got 37 people aboard" "Ok... is that 37 including you, or 37 plus the pilot?"
  - inopinatus 10y ago
    The juxtaposition is a well-known jest: "Ankh-Morpork! Brawling city of a hundred thousand souls! And, as the Patrician privately observed, ten times that number of actual people." - Pratchett, Terry (1989), Guards! Guards!, Corgi UK. I suggest the usage is wry rather than derogatory, unless accompanied by more specific disparagement.
  - ptaffs 10y ago
    I flew with my final-trimester (ie very visibly) pregnant wife in a small helicopter. The pilot announced the number of souls including the unborn, i was, (and still aren't) sure whether this was just cute for effect, or what he was supposed to do.
  - Arizhel 10y ago

Pxtl 10y ago

The article is confusingly worded, mentioning 25 passengers and 7 crew in another part... Which are also described as 25% of occupants, but that's not 25% of 198.

spuz 10y ago
Thanks, those figures were confusing me. I wasn't sure if there were 32 or 198 people on board.
illys 10y ago
Other figures are also surprising: "a maximum indicated air speed of 358kt (662km/h), or Mach 0.9", while at 30000ft, Mach 0.9 is typically 983.7 km/h(source among others: https://www.globalaircraft.org/converter.htm https://www.globalaircraft.org/converter.htm) Maybe "indicated" makes a difference, but so wide?
- knute 10y ago
  The outside of the airplane has a forward-pointing tube called a pitot tube. As the airplane travels forward, air is compressed into this tube. By measuring the pressure, you can derive the airspeed. However the higher you go, the lower the ambient air pressure is and so the "indicated airspeed" is not at all accurate. However indicated airspeed is still very useful as it measures the air resistance the aircraft is encountering which determines lift and airframe stresses (which is why the airframe speed limit is in indicated airspeed and not actual airspeed).
  - mcguire 10y ago
    Indicated airspeed is not related to ground speed, but indicated airspeed is the important number, as far as keeping the aircraft in the air is concerned.
  - Pxtl 10y ago
    On the subject of indicated airspeed, does the mach number have the same meaning? That is, if the aircraft had reached an indicated airspeed of Mach 1, would they break the sound barrier and experience a sonic boom?
    - bb611 10y ago
      I think you have some confusion about indicated airspeed - it's used because it provides pilots with predictable information about how the plane will react, it's not indicative of the actual speed of the plane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicated_airspeed They were truly at 0.9 mach, had they increased speed by 11% they would have broken the sound barrier, well before the indicated air speed would have read a >mach 1 number.
1_2__3 10y ago
Yeah, this is what threw me: "“Up to 24% of the aircraft occupants were rendered temporarily unfit for duties following the incident,” the report adds, referring to 25 passengers and seven crew members." I read that as 'up to 24% of the 25 passengers and seven crew members'. I completely missed the quote at the bottom (beneath the image) that refers to the 198 people. And you're right, the figures don't add up anyway.

sanatgersappa 10y ago

souls. Not bodies.

JshWright 10y ago
Not sure if you're serious or not, but 'souls' is the term used to refer to everyone onboard a plane (when declaring an emergency, etc)
- gumby 10y ago
  It was a military plane. It would not be astonishing if it turned out that the number of bodies aboard were significantly greater than the number of souls aboard. (Actually the way I see it there are never more than zero souls aboard, but I understand it's a metaphor)
  - JshWright 10y ago
    It's not a metaphor, it's just jargon. It's how the total number of people on board an aircraft is clearly expressed without the confusion of "I've got 37 people aboard" "Ok... is that 37 including you, or 37 plus the pilot?"
- inopinatus 10y ago
  The juxtaposition is a well-known jest: "Ankh-Morpork! Brawling city of a hundred thousand souls! And, as the Patrician privately observed, ten times that number of actual people." - Pratchett, Terry (1989), Guards! Guards!, Corgi UK. I suggest the usage is wry rather than derogatory, unless accompanied by more specific disparagement.
- ptaffs 10y ago
  I flew with my final-trimester (ie very visibly) pregnant wife in a small helicopter. The pilot announced the number of souls including the unborn, i was, (and still aren't) sure whether this was just cute for effect, or what he was supposed to do.
- Arizhel 10y ago