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Amazing how groupthink works. Even people that don't work at Adobe now refuse to see the issue from the other side's perspective. This guy says that Flash perf

by Detrus 16y ago

Amazing how groupthink works. Even people that don't work at Adobe now refuse to see the issue from the other side's perspective. This guy says that Flash performs consistently across platforms, when it doesn't. That's the main reason for the whole argument, Adobe neglected Macs for years. They did not improve things that could have been improved without Apple's help. Like http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 And why should Apple devote resources to Flash when they're working on a technology that does the exact same thing in WebKit, canvas, etc..? Flash is not a standard, no one agreed to improve it or support it. They only agreed to support HTML/JS/CSS web standards. No one owes Adobe their support. Microsoft could ignore Flash and push their own Silverlight instead. The lack of cooperation might make Flash inferior over time, but that's the risk Adobe took by not agreeing to become a standard when offered the chance.

Locke1689 16y ago
This guy says that Flash performs consistently across platforms, when it doesn't. That's the main reason for the whole argument, Adobe neglected Macs for years. They did not improve things that could have been improved without Apple's help. Like http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 Agreed. Why has it taken this long to develop a 64-bit version of the Flash plugin for Linux? Yes it's a difficult software development task, but a company like Adobe should thrive on solving difficult software development tasks where its competitors fail. Apple certainly did. One of the main problems that I see with Flash (and Adobe in general) is they make closed platforms--that are bad! If they were closed and worked great they wouldn't have half as many detractors. If they were more open (so that other developers could fix them), same deal. Instead, they're closed and bad which is, in my view, the worst possible situation.
p4r4d0x 16y ago
It's the same as the political party noise machines (primarily Republican) - keep repeating a falsehood and enough people might believe it to be true to serve your ends. This is mainly why Adobe's marketing tactics are pushing me away from the platform - instead of making a legitimately good product, they're more interested in telling us how good it is.

by Detrus 16y ago

Locke1689 16y ago

This guy says that Flash performs consistently across platforms, when it doesn't. That's the main reason for the whole argument, Adobe neglected Macs for years. They did not improve things that could have been improved without Apple's help. Like http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=82 Agreed. Why has it taken this long to develop a 64-bit version of the Flash plugin for Linux? Yes it's a difficult software development task, but a company like Adobe should thrive on solving difficult software development tasks where its competitors fail. Apple certainly did. One of the main problems that I see with Flash (and Adobe in general) is they make closed platforms--that are bad! If they were closed and worked great they wouldn't have half as many detractors. If they were more open (so that other developers could fix them), same deal. Instead, they're closed and bad which is, in my view, the worst possible situation.

p4r4d0x 16y ago

It's the same as the political party noise machines (primarily Republican) - keep repeating a falsehood and enough people might believe it to be true to serve your ends. This is mainly why Adobe's marketing tactics are pushing me away from the platform - instead of making a legitimately good product, they're more interested in telling us how good it is.