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Except for Switzerland, Western (not to speak about Eastern) Europe's universal healthcare means universal high taxes, universal low quality of treatment and un

by alienjr 10y ago

Except for Switzerland, Western (not to speak about Eastern) Europe's universal healthcare means universal high taxes, universal low quality of treatment and universal access to waiting queues.

thatfrenchguy 10y ago
Been to hospitals in France and the Czech republic. They were pretty nice.
erispoe 10y ago
Do you have a source for your claim of "low quality of treatment"?
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ska 10y ago
That doesn't match any of the research I've seen on the subject, and I've looked quite a bit. Granted it's a tricky thing to study. Do you have any citations from (competent, peer reviewed) journals?
wvenable 10y ago
You don't have to look further than Canada to know that isn't true. My taxes are not significantly different from yours and I don't have to pay for insanely high medical insurance on top of that. Quality of treatment is fine and wait times aren't significantly different (but vary according to need). I don't know how anyone can with a straight face argue that the US healthcare system is efficient with regards to money, time, or outcome compared to most single payer systems.
DanBC 10y ago
Waiting times are public information in England. You can verify what they are for most things. Currently wait times are too long. This is because i) Social care has been chronically underfunded for many years ii) The NHS has been chronically underfunded for many years. Here's the wait times for IAPT (short form talking therapy for mild to moderate mental health problems -- usually CBT). http://www.content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB22842/IAPT-month-sep-2016-exec-sum.pdf http://www.content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB22842/IAPT-mo... > 87.8% waited less than 6 weeks and > 98.3% waited less than 18 weeks to enter treatment That's too long, and considerable pressure is being put on trusts to reduce those times. There's a wealth of data just about IAPT here: http://content.digital.nhs.uk/iaptreports http://content.digital.nhs.uk/iaptreports

by alienjr 10y ago

Except for Switzerland, Western (not to speak about Eastern) Europe's universal healthcare means universal high taxes, universal low quality of treatment and universal access to waiting queues.

thatfrenchguy 10y ago

Been to hospitals in France and the Czech republic. They were pretty nice.

erispoe 10y ago

Do you have a source for your claim of "low quality of treatment"?

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ska 10y ago

That doesn't match any of the research I've seen on the subject, and I've looked quite a bit. Granted it's a tricky thing to study. Do you have any citations from (competent, peer reviewed) journals?

wvenable 10y ago

You don't have to look further than Canada to know that isn't true. My taxes are not significantly different from yours and I don't have to pay for insanely high medical insurance on top of that. Quality of treatment is fine and wait times aren't significantly different (but vary according to need). I don't know how anyone can with a straight face argue that the US healthcare system is efficient with regards to money, time, or outcome compared to most single payer systems.

DanBC 10y ago

Waiting times are public information in England. You can verify what they are for most things. Currently wait times are too long. This is because i) Social care has been chronically underfunded for many years ii) The NHS has been chronically underfunded for many years. Here's the wait times for IAPT (short form talking therapy for mild to moderate mental health problems -- usually CBT). http://www.content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB22842/IAPT-month-sep-2016-exec-sum.pdf http://www.content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB22842/IAPT-mo... > 87.8% waited less than 6 weeks and > 98.3% waited less than 18 weeks to enter treatment That's too long, and considerable pressure is being put on trusts to reduce those times. There's a wealth of data just about IAPT here: http://content.digital.nhs.uk/iaptreports http://content.digital.nhs.uk/iaptreports