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Out of interest which of his facts would be considered inconvenient? I'm familiar with his talks and work but only at a shallow level

sorenjan 10y ago
He talked about how the gender balance in Swedish teens approached China's, because of the uneven immigration with a big male majority among immigrants aged 13-17. This was during a time when everyone that had anything critical to say about immigration was branded a racist by some in the media, and embraced as heroes by others. All he did was quote statistics. https://twitter.com/hansrosling/status/669678035654852608 https://twitter.com/hansrosling/status/669678035654852608 https://twitter.com/HansRosling/status/669673779359064064 https://twitter.com/HansRosling/status/669673779359064064
- Karlozkiller 10y ago
  Yes, he was more or less discarded by the same people who previously hailed him as a 'God' when he was saying something positive about immigration. Interesting how people work sometimes.
  - seppin 10y ago
    People seek out info to confirm their beliefs, it's not a friendly world to other Hans Roslings out there trying to stand up for objective truth.
    - throwaway234983 10y ago
      Which exactly what you people are doing in this thread. There's no evidence that any significant amount of people "turned" on him after these comments. That's just appeal to emotion. Hans Rosling very much didn't state "objective truth". Yes, there is a lot of truth to his speeches. But there's also a lot of visualizations, opinions and context. Saying that he "stood up for objective truth" is trying to confirm your own view that this is what matters. In reality if you study his story it's really idealism and activism (as a student, physician and teacher) that defined him.
fetbaffe 10y ago
Rosling started to participate in the migration debate in Sweden and made a classic error, borrowing is doctors degree and professor title into areas outside of hes expertise. He made some claims about the schengen directive about what responsibilities of travel companies have that did not really hold water. Also, he repeatedly confused migrant with refugee(classic beginner mistake). However he started to nuance his critique later and came to unpopular opinion that the Swedish migration system is severely flawed. Government of Sweden uses funds that is budgeted to foreign aid to pay for immigration. Biggest receiver of Swedish foreign aid is a Swedish county (yes, true). Using foreign aid to fund immigration is something done both by the political parties of the right and the left. Rosling said that using foreign aid money for expenses at home is just wrong. Foreign aid should go to regions in distress. Funds for immigration should be taken from other less important areas and/or increased taxes. At this time almost only the Swedendemocrats(controversal anti-immigration party)criticized the migration system with basically the same argument, help migrants/refugees at their home region. Help many more at a cheaper cost (Sweden is expensive). At this time in Swedish politics all of the other political parties tried to boycott the Swedendemocrats with the infamous December treaty (basically a pact to block elected members of parlament from the Swedendemocrats to have a say in any question). To have a very famous and popular personality with a huge cult following say this during this time of Swedish history didn't go well at all with the establishment and he was less and less seen in public debates. Rosling was of course not a Swedendemocrat, he was a liberal (European definition) and probably did not agree much with Swedendemocrats in other issues except foreign aid. However in todays debate climate where you have to buy everyone's opinion wholesale this didn't work so well for him. Rest in peace Hans. You did fantastic work with your studies on poverty and global health. Farväl.
- seppin 10y ago
  > unpopular opinion that the Swedish migration system is severely flawed. This opinion seems fairly popular to me, do you have a source for it?
  - fetbaffe 10y ago
    Clarification needed. It was unpopular then, but have starting become popular now. Late edit: to clarify, it was an unpopular opinion at the time Rosling said it, however if he had said it today, it probably have beeen a different reaction, the unpopular opinion have starting to become popular.

sorenjan 10y ago

He talked about how the gender balance in Swedish teens approached China's, because of the uneven immigration with a big male majority among immigrants aged 13-17. This was during a time when everyone that had anything critical to say about immigration was branded a racist by some in the media, and embraced as heroes by others. All he did was quote statistics. https://twitter.com/hansrosling/status/669678035654852608 https://twitter.com/hansrosling/status/669678035654852608 https://twitter.com/HansRosling/status/669673779359064064 https://twitter.com/HansRosling/status/669673779359064064

Karlozkiller 10y ago
Yes, he was more or less discarded by the same people who previously hailed him as a 'God' when he was saying something positive about immigration. Interesting how people work sometimes.
- seppin 10y ago
  People seek out info to confirm their beliefs, it's not a friendly world to other Hans Roslings out there trying to stand up for objective truth.
  - throwaway234983 10y ago
    Which exactly what you people are doing in this thread. There's no evidence that any significant amount of people "turned" on him after these comments. That's just appeal to emotion. Hans Rosling very much didn't state "objective truth". Yes, there is a lot of truth to his speeches. But there's also a lot of visualizations, opinions and context. Saying that he "stood up for objective truth" is trying to confirm your own view that this is what matters. In reality if you study his story it's really idealism and activism (as a student, physician and teacher) that defined him.

fetbaffe 10y ago

Rosling started to participate in the migration debate in Sweden and made a classic error, borrowing is doctors degree and professor title into areas outside of hes expertise. He made some claims about the schengen directive about what responsibilities of travel companies have that did not really hold water. Also, he repeatedly confused migrant with refugee(classic beginner mistake). However he started to nuance his critique later and came to unpopular opinion that the Swedish migration system is severely flawed. Government of Sweden uses funds that is budgeted to foreign aid to pay for immigration. Biggest receiver of Swedish foreign aid is a Swedish county (yes, true). Using foreign aid to fund immigration is something done both by the political parties of the right and the left. Rosling said that using foreign aid money for expenses at home is just wrong. Foreign aid should go to regions in distress. Funds for immigration should be taken from other less important areas and/or increased taxes. At this time almost only the Swedendemocrats(controversal anti-immigration party)criticized the migration system with basically the same argument, help migrants/refugees at their home region. Help many more at a cheaper cost (Sweden is expensive). At this time in Swedish politics all of the other political parties tried to boycott the Swedendemocrats with the infamous December treaty (basically a pact to block elected members of parlament from the Swedendemocrats to have a say in any question). To have a very famous and popular personality with a huge cult following say this during this time of Swedish history didn't go well at all with the establishment and he was less and less seen in public debates. Rosling was of course not a Swedendemocrat, he was a liberal (European definition) and probably did not agree much with Swedendemocrats in other issues except foreign aid. However in todays debate climate where you have to buy everyone's opinion wholesale this didn't work so well for him. Rest in peace Hans. You did fantastic work with your studies on poverty and global health. Farväl.

seppin 10y ago
> unpopular opinion that the Swedish migration system is severely flawed. This opinion seems fairly popular to me, do you have a source for it?
- fetbaffe 10y ago
  Clarification needed. It was unpopular then, but have starting become popular now. Late edit: to clarify, it was an unpopular opinion at the time Rosling said it, however if he had said it today, it probably have beeen a different reaction, the unpopular opinion have starting to become popular.