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"I am" - and - "I am that I am" are two different things. :) And yes, I agree - 'Yahweh' from Jewish antiquity is more comparable to Zeus, for sure. (Though Ya

"I am" - and - "I am that I am" are two different things. :) And yes, I agree - 'Yahweh' from Jewish antiquity is more comparable to Zeus, for sure. (Though Yahweh evolved a lot over time, and was something else by the time Jesus came) But you were comparing Jesus to Zeus. Those two are not very comparable. Zeus belongs in the Egyptian/Roman/Mesopotamian camp. a little bit like Yahweh. Jesus belongs more with Buddha, and Mohammed. The former were 'myths to believe that explained things', the later were 'historical figures' and 'teachers' of 'how we ought to be as moral and spiritual beings'. These are very different eras, different kinds of religions, is my whole point. FYI - that's why in 2016 there are tons of Buddhists, Muslims and Christians, and basically zero followers of 'Zeus'. Which further validates 'how different Jesus is to Zeus & Co'

acqq 10y ago
> 'Yahweh' from Jewish antiquity The Christians actually call that what you call "Jewish antiquity" "the Old Testament." And they don't pronounce the name of the God, just like Jews stopped doing that, but only after names like "Yehoshua" (Joshua and Jesus) and "Yohanan" (John) (both constructed from Yahweh) already became common. This simple "his name can't be told" rule is the primary spark for the whole "transcendental" buildup and people naming "the only" "God" for any formally unrelated belief. And the Jews got that idea (keep the name secret) from the Egyptians. > But you were comparing Jesus to Zeus. No, check for yourself, I have explicitly compared the father of Jesus with Zeus, Zeus being the inseminator just like Jesus' father. > Jesus belongs more with Buddha, and Mohammed. No, Mohammad was a jealous supremacist murderous warlord, killing hundreds of people even after they surrender, torturing the captives, taking the female slaves as sex slaves, ordering the killings for revenge to somebody making some funny poems about him, ordering stonings of others for having extramarital sex, but for himself organizing "legal" sex with a 9-year old, inventing special messages from God to allow him having more wives than other Muslims etc (all documented in the religious texts). Jesus was just an apocalyptic religious hippie announcing that "the end is coming soon" who died once he tried to cause the change in the middle of Jerusalem, the governmental, financial and religious center of Judea at the peak of its yearly activity (overturning the tables in the "banks" there effectively(1)). Buddha is not comparable to both Jesus and Mohammad, as Buddha was the one who recognized that he can chose to not believe in the religious dogma of his environment (Hinduism) and be free and happy instead, not ending in the Hindu equivalent of Hell (which was for them "being reborn again") but simply dying (which is called the "nirvana" -- simply ending being "blown out" like a candle, that's the meaning of that word). But the Buddhists, conveniently for them, made a new religious dogma out of Buddha. ---- 1) The term "bank" actually comes from Italian "banca" which simply means "the table" -- the tables were used as "the banks" to perform the money transactions in the old times. Jesus actually disrupted the banks in the city. Which were very stressed at the Passover, the time he decided to do it. But it wouldn't be enough to sentence him to death, the reason for that was that there were the witnesses who confirmed him claiming to be the "King of the Jews" -- he was sentenced for leading the "regime change" during the times of the festival. By the oldest Gospel, Jesus, poor believer, didn't understand why the God didn't intervene then ("Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?")
- edblarney 10y ago
  "'I am that I am' was said by Jesus who ate, defecated and did everything else like any other human being, and he is considered being the God by Christians, so he's very much like the Greek gods walking around the Earth all the time, " 1) You were comparing Jesus to the Greek gods, not 'The Father of Jesus'. That's your quote right there. 2) You're a little off on your 'comparative religion'. Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha were human beings, who were spiritual teachers, not quite 'gods' (although many people consider Christ 'God incarnate' - he was ultimately human as well.). We follow Jesus, Mohamed and Buddhist teachings, and spiritual which are all 'monotheistic' - or in the case of Buddhism, not quite 'theist' but nevertheless a singular presentation of a 'higher concept'. This is fundamentally different from Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek and Roman religions. I am not saying that 'Jesus is the same as Mohammed and the Buddha' - I am saying that they are all basically Common Era religions which are in a different category than the others. Your comments about Mohammed are incomplete to the point of misrepresentation. Yes - he did some crazy things, but he also said many more good things, and his writing is in fact quite beautiful. Finally - you picked a very poor example of how Jesus is different than Buddha: "as Buddha was the one who recognized that he can chose to not believe in the religious dogma of his environment" Jesus indeed, asked his followers to not get caught up in dogma as well and simply 'have faith'. In a manner of speaking, that's pretty close to accepting divine notions of 'nirvana'. Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Basically he is saying 'all the other religious stuff doesn't matter' - this two things are what matters. There are many other similar quotes where he calls out the 'hypocrisy' of certain Pharisee acts. So in fact - Jesus and the Buddha are pretty similar at least on that point. Summary: Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed - Common Era human beings who are Spiritual Teachers: followers do as they say. Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian polytheistic Gods and myths - a soap opera of 'super humans' doing various things. There's no moral philosophy or spiritual premise, though you do get some metaphysical ideals I guess.
  - acqq 10y ago
    I'm comparing there Jesus, who's for the Christians "THE God." One part of the "one God in three Divine Persons", the "central mystery" of Christianity for most of its existence. Your claim that Jesus is "ultimately human" and at the same time that Mohammad "wrote" "beautiful" things leaves me wondering how much you actually know about the religions. Even if you belong to, for example, Jehovah's Witnesses, you have to be aware that a) your denomination didn't exist before 1870s and the rest of the Christians believe in Jesus the God for at least 17 centuries b) your beliefs are distinct from the mainstream Christianity and c) your number is minute compared to all other Christians. Can you please specify which Mohammad's "writing is in fact quite beautiful"? What have you read that Mohammad wrote? Thanks.

acqq 10y ago

> 'Yahweh' from Jewish antiquity The Christians actually call that what you call "Jewish antiquity" "the Old Testament." And they don't pronounce the name of the God, just like Jews stopped doing that, but only after names like "Yehoshua" (Joshua and Jesus) and "Yohanan" (John) (both constructed from Yahweh) already became common. This simple "his name can't be told" rule is the primary spark for the whole "transcendental" buildup and people naming "the only" "God" for any formally unrelated belief. And the Jews got that idea (keep the name secret) from the Egyptians. > But you were comparing Jesus to Zeus. No, check for yourself, I have explicitly compared the father of Jesus with Zeus, Zeus being the inseminator just like Jesus' father. > Jesus belongs more with Buddha, and Mohammed. No, Mohammad was a jealous supremacist murderous warlord, killing hundreds of people even after they surrender, torturing the captives, taking the female slaves as sex slaves, ordering the killings for revenge to somebody making some funny poems about him, ordering stonings of others for having extramarital sex, but for himself organizing "legal" sex with a 9-year old, inventing special messages from God to allow him having more wives than other Muslims etc (all documented in the religious texts). Jesus was just an apocalyptic religious hippie announcing that "the end is coming soon" who died once he tried to cause the change in the middle of Jerusalem, the governmental, financial and religious center of Judea at the peak of its yearly activity (overturning the tables in the "banks" there effectively(1)). Buddha is not comparable to both Jesus and Mohammad, as Buddha was the one who recognized that he can chose to not believe in the religious dogma of his environment (Hinduism) and be free and happy instead, not ending in the Hindu equivalent of Hell (which was for them "being reborn again") but simply dying (which is called the "nirvana" -- simply ending being "blown out" like a candle, that's the meaning of that word). But the Buddhists, conveniently for them, made a new religious dogma out of Buddha. ---- 1) The term "bank" actually comes from Italian "banca" which simply means "the table" -- the tables were used as "the banks" to perform the money transactions in the old times. Jesus actually disrupted the banks in the city. Which were very stressed at the Passover, the time he decided to do it. But it wouldn't be enough to sentence him to death, the reason for that was that there were the witnesses who confirmed him claiming to be the "King of the Jews" -- he was sentenced for leading the "regime change" during the times of the festival. By the oldest Gospel, Jesus, poor believer, didn't understand why the God didn't intervene then ("Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?")

edblarney 10y ago
"'I am that I am' was said by Jesus who ate, defecated and did everything else like any other human being, and he is considered being the God by Christians, so he's very much like the Greek gods walking around the Earth all the time, " 1) You were comparing Jesus to the Greek gods, not 'The Father of Jesus'. That's your quote right there. 2) You're a little off on your 'comparative religion'. Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha were human beings, who were spiritual teachers, not quite 'gods' (although many people consider Christ 'God incarnate' - he was ultimately human as well.). We follow Jesus, Mohamed and Buddhist teachings, and spiritual which are all 'monotheistic' - or in the case of Buddhism, not quite 'theist' but nevertheless a singular presentation of a 'higher concept'. This is fundamentally different from Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek and Roman religions. I am not saying that 'Jesus is the same as Mohammed and the Buddha' - I am saying that they are all basically Common Era religions which are in a different category than the others. Your comments about Mohammed are incomplete to the point of misrepresentation. Yes - he did some crazy things, but he also said many more good things, and his writing is in fact quite beautiful. Finally - you picked a very poor example of how Jesus is different than Buddha: "as Buddha was the one who recognized that he can chose to not believe in the religious dogma of his environment" Jesus indeed, asked his followers to not get caught up in dogma as well and simply 'have faith'. In a manner of speaking, that's pretty close to accepting divine notions of 'nirvana'. Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Basically he is saying 'all the other religious stuff doesn't matter' - this two things are what matters. There are many other similar quotes where he calls out the 'hypocrisy' of certain Pharisee acts. So in fact - Jesus and the Buddha are pretty similar at least on that point. Summary: Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed - Common Era human beings who are Spiritual Teachers: followers do as they say. Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian polytheistic Gods and myths - a soap opera of 'super humans' doing various things. There's no moral philosophy or spiritual premise, though you do get some metaphysical ideals I guess.
- acqq 10y ago
  I'm comparing there Jesus, who's for the Christians "THE God." One part of the "one God in three Divine Persons", the "central mystery" of Christianity for most of its existence. Your claim that Jesus is "ultimately human" and at the same time that Mohammad "wrote" "beautiful" things leaves me wondering how much you actually know about the religions. Even if you belong to, for example, Jehovah's Witnesses, you have to be aware that a) your denomination didn't exist before 1870s and the rest of the Christians believe in Jesus the God for at least 17 centuries b) your beliefs are distinct from the mainstream Christianity and c) your number is minute compared to all other Christians. Can you please specify which Mohammad's "writing is in fact quite beautiful"? What have you read that Mohammad wrote? Thanks.