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> I find the political association of Christianity and certain spheres of politics disheartening for the cause of logical discourse about the matter. As a life

by vacri 10y ago

> I find the political association of Christianity and certain spheres of politics disheartening for the cause of logical discourse about the matter. As a lifelong atheist, I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US. Part of it is due to the grassroots movement in the US by conservative christians to dictate school curriculae, an explicit move started in the mid-80s that would be bearing fruit around the turn of the century, but mostly it seems to be a response and counter-response to that one terrorist attack. Whether it's people turning to religion for comfort, or people defending the religion of minorities to fight for their civil rights, religion has been back on the main card since 2001, whereas in the decade previously, secularism was only getting stronger. Is religion much more in the mainstream now? From what I see, not much over the past 10-15 years, but definitely more than in the 90s. Trump isn't the only US politician to talk about God in speeches - in fact, you can usually tell whether or not a speech was performed by an American politician simply if it mentions god (and frequently!). > Where I am from (New Zealand) a lot of Christians I have spoken with are appalled by Trump and don't buy into the whole "Gawd Bless Americuh" narrative Outside of the US, fundamentalist christians are much thinner on the ground, though they are around. > No political agenda can encapsulate who Jesus of Nazareth was and what he came to do. The interaction of humans = politics. Even if all you want to do is heal the sick, that is your political agenda.

flukus 10y ago
> As a lifelong atheist, I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US The exact opposite has happened in terms of numbers. You may be right that it's become more visible, but I think that might be more of a backlash against other changes like gay rights and sexual openness than a response to 9/11. This is the "bandwagon" that put bush in the white house 9 months earlier.
- cconcepts 10y ago
  Relevant comic: http://adam4d.com/death-of-christianity/ http://adam4d.com/death-of-christianity/
realusername 10y ago
> I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US For a perspective on other countries, I'm French and thought religion was a dead thing of history until I was 14 and went to Ireland in a family, I used to think it was part of history like the second world war and the revolution.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> As a lifelong atheist, I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US. Religiosity in the US is declining and has been for decades; that's also, AFAIK, been true of the rest of the "Anglo nations". You may have noticed the radicalization of a highly visible subset of the Christian population (in part as a rearguard action against advancing secularism, and in part in response to the perceived threat of Islam), but that's not the same as a resurgence of religion.

by vacri 10y ago

flukus 10y ago

> As a lifelong atheist, I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US The exact opposite has happened in terms of numbers. You may be right that it's become more visible, but I think that might be more of a backlash against other changes like gay rights and sexual openness than a response to 9/11. This is the "bandwagon" that put bush in the white house 9 months earlier.

cconcepts 10y ago
Relevant comic: http://adam4d.com/death-of-christianity/ http://adam4d.com/death-of-christianity/

realusername 10y ago

> I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US For a perspective on other countries, I'm French and thought religion was a dead thing of history until I was 14 and went to Ireland in a family, I used to think it was part of history like the second world war and the revolution.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> As a lifelong atheist, I've noticed the resurgence in Anglo nations of religion, post 9/11, overwhelmingly from the US. Religiosity in the US is declining and has been for decades; that's also, AFAIK, been true of the rest of the "Anglo nations". You may have noticed the radicalization of a highly visible subset of the Christian population (in part as a rearguard action against advancing secularism, and in part in response to the perceived threat of Islam), but that's not the same as a resurgence of religion.