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> In any case all that about the EU being undemocratic is just hogwash. Sorry, People who say 'look, the parliament is elected, therefore the system is democra
by krona 10y ago
> In any case all that about the EU being undemocratic is just hogwash.
Sorry, People who say 'look, the parliament is elected, therefore the system is democratic' are focusing on the machinations, rather than the demos; it is the demos (the first person plural 'we') which acts as the one thing that permits a group of people to be governed. It cannot be found in the EU parliament, and it cannot be manufactured by tweaking the system.
The soviets had elections, too.
- YeGoblynQueenne 10y ago>> People who say 'look, the parliament is elected, therefore the system is democratic' Well, those people are not me. I noted that MEPs come from outside the traditional political establishment and that MEPs like Farage, and others, represent views that are also traditionally left out of governance. That's not the "mechanism" in the abstract. It's the actual nitty-gritty of how it all works out in the end. And that's your demos right there- the people, not the elites, or the corporations or whomever. The EU is democratic because it gives people an opportunity to choose its direction. The UK for instance, it chose to get out. The Soviets? There you go- they couldn't vote themselves out of being Soviet. EU citizens can. Still not seeing how it's all so undemocratic.
- krona 10y agoJust because a citizen has a representative doesn't mean the whole apparatus becomes accountable in his eyes any more legitimate than an occupying power. Look at it this way; how many EU citizens do you think are willing to die in a ditch somewhere in Lithuania for the European project ? These are important aspect of the philosophy of government. I suggest reading the books of Sir Roger Scruton if you really want to understand why.