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AMP is not the problem - the AMP cache is pure evil and if it wasn't for Google forcing it on people through their SERPs there would be no reason for Google to

AMP is not the problem - the AMP cache is pure evil and if it wasn't for Google forcing it on people through their SERPs there would be no reason for Google to add it or have to work around it... I want to visit publishers own sites and not weird walled Google land.

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Kalium 10y ago
Speaking only and solely for just myself, I do not care whose site I read the material on. I just want it presented in a reasonable, readable manner. A number of publishers seem to struggle with this.
- andy_ppp 10y ago
  I think the fact AMP (cache) was at least initially broken for lots of people is very concerning; next there is duplicating and breaking pieces of the web (links!). In my opinion the AMP cache should be opt in then quite a few of my concerns go away.
  - Kalium 10y ago
    To my knowledge, AMP - and thus AMP cache - is already opt-in. A few minutes of research suggests this is indeed the case. Are your concerns addressed sufficiently?
    - andy_ppp 10y ago
      Okay so as a user of Google how do I never see an AMP link again? I'm actually seriously thinking of moving to bing or duck duck go because of this!
      - Kalium 10y ago
        Sure! All you have to do is not click on any. That's 100% your choice and entirely within your control. AMP is opt-in on the publisher's end. Publishers choose if you get their site or AMP.
        tdkl 10y ago
        And publishers are strongarmed by Google because of the search rankings. I wonder what the EU will thought of that.
        epistasis 10y ago
        That's what I was doing, because I hate scrolling on AMP pages. However it also made Google useless. I may see an interesting page, but then notice that it had the AMP stamp, and no (visible) way to get the non-AMP page. AMP made Google useless for me. Then I discovered DDG. And now I use DDG as the default search everywhere, because I get more relevant results than with Google! So I guess I should thank Google for ruining their search with AMP and opening my eyes to alternatives.
hkmurakami 10y ago
I'd be happy to do this if the publisher page didn't take 5 seconds to load with a screen blocking popup ad.
- andy_ppp 10y ago
  I just immediately click back like I do when the Google AMP banner takes up 20% of the screen real estate!
ehsankia 10y ago
You present no real argument rather than calling it pure evil. It loads fast, ads and analytics go where they're supposed to, and now the URL issue is mostly gone too. For users, it's basically seamless benefit with no draw backs. For developers, yes it takes effort but a lot of it is done for you, and you also inherit this huge cache, which you call evil but in reality, costs quite a lot of money and you're getting for free. It's easy to call something "evil" and completely dismiss all the huge benefits of a technology, but I'd like to hear what exactly are the remaining issue. The AMP team has done their best to one by one address anything that has come up.
- tdkl 10y ago
  Since when is Google the only ads and analytics provider everyone uses? Ooops, that's why AMP was made in the first place.
  - ehsankia 10y ago
    Here's a list of analytics services they support with currently over 30 different ones: https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-analytics#analytics-vendors https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ana... Similarly, here's a list of supported ad-networks with almost a 100: https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ad#supported-ad-networks https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ad#... Far from being Google only.
    - andy_ppp 10y ago
      I'm looking to provide website integrations including analysis for publishers in a new way that AMP doesn't support. Embrace and extend really screws up my idea here.
    - elsewhen 10y ago
      The fact that there's a list means that some are not on it, which means that there is a gatekeeper. I think we need to pick our poison: an open web with a potentially degraded experience. Or speed-optimized but closed. I for one choose the former because it's precisely the openness that made/makes the web great, and to me that trumps speed and convenience.

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Kalium 10y ago

Speaking only and solely for just myself, I do not care whose site I read the material on. I just want it presented in a reasonable, readable manner. A number of publishers seem to struggle with this.

andy_ppp 10y ago
I think the fact AMP (cache) was at least initially broken for lots of people is very concerning; next there is duplicating and breaking pieces of the web (links!). In my opinion the AMP cache should be opt in then quite a few of my concerns go away.
- Kalium 10y ago
  To my knowledge, AMP - and thus AMP cache - is already opt-in. A few minutes of research suggests this is indeed the case. Are your concerns addressed sufficiently?
  - andy_ppp 10y ago
    Okay so as a user of Google how do I never see an AMP link again? I'm actually seriously thinking of moving to bing or duck duck go because of this!
    - Kalium 10y ago
      Sure! All you have to do is not click on any. That's 100% your choice and entirely within your control. AMP is opt-in on the publisher's end. Publishers choose if you get their site or AMP.
      - tdkl 10y ago
        And publishers are strongarmed by Google because of the search rankings. I wonder what the EU will thought of that.
      - epistasis 10y ago
        That's what I was doing, because I hate scrolling on AMP pages. However it also made Google useless. I may see an interesting page, but then notice that it had the AMP stamp, and no (visible) way to get the non-AMP page. AMP made Google useless for me. Then I discovered DDG. And now I use DDG as the default search everywhere, because I get more relevant results than with Google! So I guess I should thank Google for ruining their search with AMP and opening my eyes to alternatives.

hkmurakami 10y ago

I'd be happy to do this if the publisher page didn't take 5 seconds to load with a screen blocking popup ad.

andy_ppp 10y ago
I just immediately click back like I do when the Google AMP banner takes up 20% of the screen real estate!

ehsankia 10y ago

You present no real argument rather than calling it pure evil. It loads fast, ads and analytics go where they're supposed to, and now the URL issue is mostly gone too. For users, it's basically seamless benefit with no draw backs. For developers, yes it takes effort but a lot of it is done for you, and you also inherit this huge cache, which you call evil but in reality, costs quite a lot of money and you're getting for free. It's easy to call something "evil" and completely dismiss all the huge benefits of a technology, but I'd like to hear what exactly are the remaining issue. The AMP team has done their best to one by one address anything that has come up.

tdkl 10y ago
Since when is Google the only ads and analytics provider everyone uses? Ooops, that's why AMP was made in the first place.
- ehsankia 10y ago
  Here's a list of analytics services they support with currently over 30 different ones: https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-analytics#analytics-vendors https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ana... Similarly, here's a list of supported ad-networks with almost a 100: https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ad#supported-ad-networks https://www.ampproject.org/docs/reference/components/amp-ad#... Far from being Google only.
  - andy_ppp 10y ago
    I'm looking to provide website integrations including analysis for publishers in a new way that AMP doesn't support. Embrace and extend really screws up my idea here.
  - elsewhen 10y ago
    The fact that there's a list means that some are not on it, which means that there is a gatekeeper. I think we need to pick our poison: an open web with a potentially degraded experience. Or speed-optimized but closed. I for one choose the former because it's precisely the openness that made/makes the web great, and to me that trumps speed and convenience.