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I am extremely suspicious of your sudden switch to calling out black single-parents as the doom of masculinity. I'm further more extremely cautious of any appr
by true_religion 10y ago
I am extremely suspicious of your sudden switch to calling out black single-parents as the doom of masculinity.
I'm further more extremely cautious of any approach that wants to talk solely about harm done to men, due to losing 'traditional' masculine hobbies, but not talk about the similar near total loss of 'feminine' hobbies and the cottage industry that widely drove revenue for stay-at-home mothers.
- ska 10y agoI tried to entirely sidestep this, but you are probably right to call it out this way. I wasn't sure if it was just awkwardly unintentionally worded, or a bit of semaphore for a load of unpleasant nonsense - so wanted to calling it the latter and burying any discourse about the potentially interesting issue of the perception vs. reality of "masculine roles" (and if that even makes sense).
- true_religion 10y agoI had wanted to give the benefit of the doubt as well, because as another poster suggested---there is a grain of truth within his statements. Then I remembered that 'grain of truth' is how these sort of philosophies continue to survive, and insinuate themselves into common discourse. So I am ignoring that single grain an focusing on the rotten conclusions that veer too closely to the sort of rhetorical landmines that have historically been damning to society. If you are going to call out a specific ethnic group, or push politically sensitive buttons then you need to bring out arguments with a much higher standard than 'grain of truth'. I hope this isn't too much of a rant, I simply wanted to clarify because usually I am the one helpfully playing devils' advocate but I simply couldn't do so this time.