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They are confusing two different meanings of traffic: - Advertising: where is the user coming from - Networking: where is the data being served from So my gues

They are confusing two different meanings of traffic: - Advertising: where is the user coming from - Networking: where is the data being served from So my guess is that people were worried that Google would steal the advertising traffic and, therefore, revenue.

dgfgfdagasdfgfa 10y ago
That's definitely how Google is acting. Most of the negative feedback I've heard is because it makes it very difficult to bypass amp on mobile (impossible?) and, yes, copy the URL of a google result without linking to google.
freehunter 10y ago
So if I have AMP on my site and a user clicks an AMP link, does my web server record a hit? That's what I care about, since I use traffic stats to negotiate deals with sponsors. I don't run third-party (even Google) ads on my site, it's all native "sponsored content", so making sure traffic is recording correctly is pretty important to me. The first question I hear when I start a conversation about a sponsorship is "how many hits did you have last month" and the second question is usually "how many hits do your sponsored posts usually get?". I need to be able to answer those questions, and prove it too.
- wmf 10y ago
  Server-side logs are extremely uncool; you need to use JS to record analytics these days (even if the JS just does a POST to your own server).
- kuschku 10y ago
  > So if I have AMP on my site and a user clicks an AMP link, does my web server record a hit? That can be very easily answered with "no". This is intentional in this design, for faster loads.
  - throwaway91111 10y ago
    Defective by design sure rings a bell....
- ehsankia 10y ago
  The server itself doesn't (you don't get extra load), but analytics is forwarded to you. So you can still get the numbers you need to convince the higher ups, just not directly from your server logs.
  - epistasis 10y ago
    At first my distaste for AMP has been as a user: broken inertial scrolling, wasted space, and broken links. But as I learn about it AMP becomes even more distasteful. Waiting for an intermediary to forward analytics to you is horrific. What's going on at Google these days? Everything about AMP sounds like a bald-faced attempt to destroy the web. At every point there are horribly unjustified architectural decisions that hurt the web but also help Google.
    - wmf 10y ago
      The decisions are justified (although years late) but you either didn't read them or don't agree with them.
  - rickycook 10y ago
    which discounts people who use various content blockers specifically to stop intrusive analytics. these seem to be becoming more popular, so it's only going to be more of an issue to measure traffic
    - TylerE 10y ago
      Why woul;d sites want to count those users anyway?
      - shakna 10y ago
        > I don't run third-party (even Google) ads on my site, it's all native "sponsored content" This is a case where adblocking doesn't really happen. So those users are welcome to come along, and view the content.
  - 10y ago

dgfgfdagasdfgfa 10y ago

That's definitely how Google is acting. Most of the negative feedback I've heard is because it makes it very difficult to bypass amp on mobile (impossible?) and, yes, copy the URL of a google result without linking to google.

freehunter 10y ago

So if I have AMP on my site and a user clicks an AMP link, does my web server record a hit? That's what I care about, since I use traffic stats to negotiate deals with sponsors. I don't run third-party (even Google) ads on my site, it's all native "sponsored content", so making sure traffic is recording correctly is pretty important to me. The first question I hear when I start a conversation about a sponsorship is "how many hits did you have last month" and the second question is usually "how many hits do your sponsored posts usually get?". I need to be able to answer those questions, and prove it too.

wmf 10y ago
Server-side logs are extremely uncool; you need to use JS to record analytics these days (even if the JS just does a POST to your own server).
kuschku 10y ago
> So if I have AMP on my site and a user clicks an AMP link, does my web server record a hit? That can be very easily answered with "no". This is intentional in this design, for faster loads.
- throwaway91111 10y ago
  Defective by design sure rings a bell....
ehsankia 10y ago
The server itself doesn't (you don't get extra load), but analytics is forwarded to you. So you can still get the numbers you need to convince the higher ups, just not directly from your server logs.
- epistasis 10y ago
  At first my distaste for AMP has been as a user: broken inertial scrolling, wasted space, and broken links. But as I learn about it AMP becomes even more distasteful. Waiting for an intermediary to forward analytics to you is horrific. What's going on at Google these days? Everything about AMP sounds like a bald-faced attempt to destroy the web. At every point there are horribly unjustified architectural decisions that hurt the web but also help Google.
  - wmf 10y ago
    The decisions are justified (although years late) but you either didn't read them or don't agree with them.
- rickycook 10y ago
  which discounts people who use various content blockers specifically to stop intrusive analytics. these seem to be becoming more popular, so it's only going to be more of an issue to measure traffic
  - TylerE 10y ago
    Why woul;d sites want to count those users anyway?
    - shakna 10y ago
      > I don't run third-party (even Google) ads on my site, it's all native "sponsored content" This is a case where adblocking doesn't really happen. So those users are welcome to come along, and view the content.
- 10y ago