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Thanks for bringing up this. This is actually a really good example for why we don't want to ban weapons: Genocides are often perpetrated by the country the vi

Thanks for bringing up this. This is actually a really good example for why we don't want to ban weapons: Genocides are often perpetrated by the country the victims actually belong to. Examples: Germany under Nazism, former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, -I'm fairly sure the list goes on. I feel totally safe and I'm actually happy knowing that many of my neighbors have weapons. Especially here in Norway were I know there are strict background checks on who gets permits. (For Americans: What I would do is start cooperating with NRA like Nordic countries has traditionally done with their local equivalents. Work not to prohibit guns but to promote safe storage and safe practices.)

Lordarminius 10y ago
Genocide is an extreme condition and a poor reason to extend gun ownership. There is a very long list of countries that are doing better than fine and severely restricting gun ownership. Long before it becomes the case that you need guns to defend your space, you may want to take a long hard look at the politics of your community / country.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  There is a very long list of countries that are doing better than fine and severely restricting gun ownership. There are long lists of entities who safely ignore tail risk events - that's true almost by the definition of "tail risk". That doesn't mean buying a cheap insurance policy against tail risk events is a bad idea.
  - dreamfactory2 10y ago
    > cheap insurance policy in Europe, having guns widely dispersed throughout society would be considered about as expensive as it gets (and far more likely to kill the patient than offer a potential cure under very particular and exceptional conditions)
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      Do you have any evidence that guns cause any significant amount of harm? I've never seen studies that conclude much of anything. Also, there are many things significantly more dangerous than guns. Should we ban those things too? If not, why not? https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2016/are_gays_or_guns_more_dangerous.html https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2016/are_gays_or_guns_mor...
      - dreamfactory2 10y ago
        Yeah gun deaths in the US vs EU. (Most people from Europe would consider it a completely stupid conversation to continue this far)
        yummyfajitas 10y ago
        The EU also has far fewer beating deaths, stabbing deaths, etc. Do you attribute that to gun control as well? I'm aware that Europeans have their own unique culture with their own unique unsupported assumptions and myths. That's not really a substitute for evidence. Also, you dodged the question of whether we should ban other things that are vastly more dangerous than guns. Weird.
        dreamfactory2 10y ago
        > The EU also has far fewer beating deaths Irrelevant to guns as you say yourself so why bring it up. You seem generally confused about the distinction between correlation and causation > That's not really a substitute for evidence. Nothing to do with myths or opinions. The numbers speak for themselves > Also, you dodged the question I didn't dodge anything - your whataboutism is in fact dodging so I ignored it
        yummyfajitas 10y ago
        You seem generally confused about the distinction between correlation and causation You seem generally confused about how reason works. I provided strong evidence that the causal relationship is {violent tendencies} -> {gun violence, fist violence, knife violence}. Your theory {gun ownership} -> {gun violence} simply does not predict the observed result; it suggests that gun violence should be high, but knife violence should be the same. That's evidence that your theory is false and mine is true. Though I don't think you really care. Incidentally, we can find lots of things that Europe has which the US doesn't, and equally well attribute crime differences to that. For example, the US has lots of blacks and Europe doesn't. But I'm guessing you will dodge the question of whether you support the same conclusion in this case as well. I didn't dodge anything - your whataboutism is in fact dodging so I ignored it It's hardly fact dodging. I assert that you don't really care about danger, all you care about is banning the cultural expressions of cultures you oppose. Dodging a question about other dangerous activities that your own culture favors provides strong evidence that you do, in fact, not really care about danger - only winning some culture war.
- sealthedeal 10y ago
  I have heard lots of reasons to not own a gun, but people that make statements like you just did make me want to run to my gun shop and purchase even more. That kind of thinking is dangerous for a country...

Lordarminius 10y ago

Genocide is an extreme condition and a poor reason to extend gun ownership. There is a very long list of countries that are doing better than fine and severely restricting gun ownership. Long before it becomes the case that you need guns to defend your space, you may want to take a long hard look at the politics of your community / country.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
There is a very long list of countries that are doing better than fine and severely restricting gun ownership. There are long lists of entities who safely ignore tail risk events - that's true almost by the definition of "tail risk". That doesn't mean buying a cheap insurance policy against tail risk events is a bad idea.
- dreamfactory2 10y ago
  > cheap insurance policy in Europe, having guns widely dispersed throughout society would be considered about as expensive as it gets (and far more likely to kill the patient than offer a potential cure under very particular and exceptional conditions)
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    Do you have any evidence that guns cause any significant amount of harm? I've never seen studies that conclude much of anything. Also, there are many things significantly more dangerous than guns. Should we ban those things too? If not, why not? https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2016/are_gays_or_guns_more_dangerous.html https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2016/are_gays_or_guns_mor...
    - dreamfactory2 10y ago
      Yeah gun deaths in the US vs EU. (Most people from Europe would consider it a completely stupid conversation to continue this far)
      - yummyfajitas 10y ago
        The EU also has far fewer beating deaths, stabbing deaths, etc. Do you attribute that to gun control as well? I'm aware that Europeans have their own unique culture with their own unique unsupported assumptions and myths. That's not really a substitute for evidence. Also, you dodged the question of whether we should ban other things that are vastly more dangerous than guns. Weird.
        dreamfactory2 10y ago
        > The EU also has far fewer beating deaths Irrelevant to guns as you say yourself so why bring it up. You seem generally confused about the distinction between correlation and causation > That's not really a substitute for evidence. Nothing to do with myths or opinions. The numbers speak for themselves > Also, you dodged the question I didn't dodge anything - your whataboutism is in fact dodging so I ignored it
        yummyfajitas 10y ago
        You seem generally confused about the distinction between correlation and causation You seem generally confused about how reason works. I provided strong evidence that the causal relationship is {violent tendencies} -> {gun violence, fist violence, knife violence}. Your theory {gun ownership} -> {gun violence} simply does not predict the observed result; it suggests that gun violence should be high, but knife violence should be the same. That's evidence that your theory is false and mine is true. Though I don't think you really care. Incidentally, we can find lots of things that Europe has which the US doesn't, and equally well attribute crime differences to that. For example, the US has lots of blacks and Europe doesn't. But I'm guessing you will dodge the question of whether you support the same conclusion in this case as well. I didn't dodge anything - your whataboutism is in fact dodging so I ignored it It's hardly fact dodging. I assert that you don't really care about danger, all you care about is banning the cultural expressions of cultures you oppose. Dodging a question about other dangerous activities that your own culture favors provides strong evidence that you do, in fact, not really care about danger - only winning some culture war.
sealthedeal 10y ago
I have heard lots of reasons to not own a gun, but people that make statements like you just did make me want to run to my gun shop and purchase even more. That kind of thinking is dangerous for a country...