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Your tone feels a bit hostile. Between your comments here and in the other thread, I get the sense you want to look down on me. That's ok, but I'm calling out h

by joshu 17y ago

Your tone feels a bit hostile. Between your comments here and in the other thread, I get the sense you want to look down on me. That's ok, but I'm calling out how your interactions feel qualitatively to me. The fact that you get more upset when I pointed it out makes me suspect that my guess is correct. Anyway: You took a bunch of details about the output of a process you don't understand intimately (have you ever done an angel investment?) and guessed at what that process and mindset looks like internally. How is this not the very definition of clueless?

maxklein 17y ago
That's a very strange allegation. I've been accused of many things, but "looking down on people" is not one of them. I don't look down on anyone or want to, as this goes against everything I have ever stood for. Yes, I've not done an angel investment before, but I'm not clueless. If we had a discussion about gravity, you probably don't know as much as a person who has written a few papers about gravity, but there is nothing wrong with having an opinion. I'm aware of enough material around it to have a semi-educated opinion. In any case, I rather dislike your tone. You are dismissing my opinions, because I am 'clueless' according to your definition. That's rude. I feel that you have something against me for whatever reason. Whoever or whatever influenced that, you can clear such things by email and you don't need to be so superior towards me here.
- staunch 17y ago
  He's spent years in the industry building relationships and evaluating companies. You're comparing his entire investment strategy to a kid impulsively buying a toy. That's just not rational. It makes you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
  - maxklein 17y ago
    That's just what his replies from the other thread make it seem like. Perhaps there is some more thorough method he goes through, but from what I recognized, it seemed very impulsive and surface. And if anyone has a chip, take a look at his first reply to this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1356557 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1356557 I'm assuming he knows that I do iPhone apps, and when I ask a perfectly valid question he hits me with that nugget.
    - joshu 17y ago
      Yep. I was tweaking you. You seem easily trolled and sensitive.
      - maxklein 17y ago
        But why?
      - jeremyw 17y ago
        Yeah that seemed unworthy of you, when I read it. If Max has a profitable business, he's already vanquished a key aspiration of HN's members, whatever the product. Only world-changers gain respect?
        joshu 17y ago
        I thought it was funny. I think the point of this place is to share and discuss the ways to make businesses. Since Max declines to actually tell us what he does, I get the impression he is engaging for other reasons. I guess it's the ego boost, or something.
        jeremyw 17y ago
        It was funny, but also a low blow. And further, since the direction to Max was veiled, it felt like an indictment of sustainable/lifestyle businesses instead of businesses you just want to avoid as a growth investor. (Thanks for your other excellent commentary.)
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joshu 17y ago
Another one: You know maybe a third to a half of the deals I've done, if you looked on CrunchBase. Gabe disclosed none of the deals he did. But you have enough data to declare which one is better?
- maxklein 17y ago
  Yes, I do. I read both of your methods, and I have a clear preference for Weinbergs method. It makes more sense to me from a neutral non-involved point of view. Sure I could just defer to the fact that you have done so many deals and automatically declare you the winner, but I prefer to think things through on my own. Even if I am wrong, having examined it myself, I will be in a better position to understand why I was wrong. I think you have a very thin skin and your attack against me is over-emphasized for whatever reason. Perhaps you should explain what exactly it is about me you dislike so much? From your very first reply in the last thread, you were taking potshots at me.
  - _pius 17y ago
    "I think you have a very thin skin ..." Pretty ironic.
- Jd 17y ago
  Gabe's deals are on his site. http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/angel.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/angel.html
  - joshu 17y ago
    Funny, I am still waiting for Wakemate to give me hardware so I can evaluate the product!
    - maxklein 16y ago
      If you were approached by these people to invest and you actually told them to send you hardware to evaluate, then I take back what I said initially.

by joshu 17y ago

maxklein 17y ago

That's a very strange allegation. I've been accused of many things, but "looking down on people" is not one of them. I don't look down on anyone or want to, as this goes against everything I have ever stood for. Yes, I've not done an angel investment before, but I'm not clueless. If we had a discussion about gravity, you probably don't know as much as a person who has written a few papers about gravity, but there is nothing wrong with having an opinion. I'm aware of enough material around it to have a semi-educated opinion. In any case, I rather dislike your tone. You are dismissing my opinions, because I am 'clueless' according to your definition. That's rude. I feel that you have something against me for whatever reason. Whoever or whatever influenced that, you can clear such things by email and you don't need to be so superior towards me here.

staunch 17y ago
He's spent years in the industry building relationships and evaluating companies. You're comparing his entire investment strategy to a kid impulsively buying a toy. That's just not rational. It makes you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
- maxklein 17y ago
  That's just what his replies from the other thread make it seem like. Perhaps there is some more thorough method he goes through, but from what I recognized, it seemed very impulsive and surface. And if anyone has a chip, take a look at his first reply to this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1356557 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1356557 I'm assuming he knows that I do iPhone apps, and when I ask a perfectly valid question he hits me with that nugget.
  - joshu 17y ago
    Yep. I was tweaking you. You seem easily trolled and sensitive.
    - maxklein 17y ago
      But why?
    - jeremyw 17y ago
      Yeah that seemed unworthy of you, when I read it. If Max has a profitable business, he's already vanquished a key aspiration of HN's members, whatever the product. Only world-changers gain respect?
      - joshu 17y ago
        I thought it was funny. I think the point of this place is to share and discuss the ways to make businesses. Since Max declines to actually tell us what he does, I get the impression he is engaging for other reasons. I guess it's the ego boost, or something.
        jeremyw 17y ago
        It was funny, but also a low blow. And further, since the direction to Max was veiled, it felt like an indictment of sustainable/lifestyle businesses instead of businesses you just want to avoid as a growth investor. (Thanks for your other excellent commentary.)
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joshu 17y ago

Another one: You know maybe a third to a half of the deals I've done, if you looked on CrunchBase. Gabe disclosed none of the deals he did. But you have enough data to declare which one is better?

maxklein 17y ago
Yes, I do. I read both of your methods, and I have a clear preference for Weinbergs method. It makes more sense to me from a neutral non-involved point of view. Sure I could just defer to the fact that you have done so many deals and automatically declare you the winner, but I prefer to think things through on my own. Even if I am wrong, having examined it myself, I will be in a better position to understand why I was wrong. I think you have a very thin skin and your attack against me is over-emphasized for whatever reason. Perhaps you should explain what exactly it is about me you dislike so much? From your very first reply in the last thread, you were taking potshots at me.
- _pius 17y ago
  "I think you have a very thin skin ..." Pretty ironic.
Jd 17y ago
Gabe's deals are on his site. http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/angel.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/angel.html
- joshu 17y ago
  Funny, I am still waiting for Wakemate to give me hardware so I can evaluate the product!
  - maxklein 16y ago
    If you were approached by these people to invest and you actually told them to send you hardware to evaluate, then I take back what I said initially.