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I disagree. I think safety and ethics standards are important and I don't think it's reasonable to expect every citizen to be able to completely evaluate every

by coldpie 10y ago

I disagree. I think safety and ethics standards are important and I don't think it's reasonable to expect every citizen to be able to completely evaluate every single product or service they consume.

randomdata 10y ago
I think that is what the parent was suggesting. Those who want the government's evaluation can utilize the services offered by licensed providers, and those who want to do the evaluation themselves can choose whoever they want.
- mistermann 10y ago
  Except why do those licensed providers have to adhere to those laws, maybe they don't want to also? As well, maybe it takes a while before the true societal risks are understood, AitBNB regulations may be too weak for some reason, but until we discover that, perhaps we've "unfairly" put some marginal hotels out of business that would have survived under the impending new legislation. (Hope that makes sense?)
  - randomdata 10y ago
    They adhere to the laws to maintain their licensing to attract the consumers that demand that. As with now, customers pay a premium to have a certain standard certified for them, which benefits the service provider through higher incomes. As I touched on a above, the thing about restricted markets is that price is able to rise artificially due to the unnaturally constrained supply. This ends up being a government subsidy; one that is disproportionally paid for by the poorest people. If you are already comfortable with subsidizing licensed businesses, why not continue to subsidize the marginal ones? Perhaps even in a way that is less impactful to the poorest people?
aorloff 10y ago
What people are discovering is that tech + crowdsourced feedback loop is better than gov regulation. Feedback loop is faster, more thorough, and more reliable.
- cwilkes 10y ago
  What's the feedback loop for someone that lives next to a place being rented out on AirBnB?
  - orasis 10y ago
    If there is a loud party, call the cops.
    - bsder 10y ago
      And when the cops are getting called every week what happens? Congratulations. You just invented "zoning laws".
  - jhall1468 10y ago
    Nothing, as long as the participants aren't violating the law. Much in the same way that you don't get any input on how long my grass is, unless it happens to be a fire hazard.
    - blackbagboys 10y ago
      Actually, to the contrary, through things like town ordinances and homeowner's associations it is very likely that you do get to have input on how long your neighbor's grass is
      - c22 10y ago
        I got fined by the city once for "harboring rodents" because my neighbor felt my grass was too long (and was also a dick).
      - jhall1468 10y ago
        My city has an ordinance for a fire hazard. It's established as a specific length. My neighbor does not get input on that, it either is, or is not, a violation of the city ordinance.
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by coldpie 10y ago

I disagree. I think safety and ethics standards are important and I don't think it's reasonable to expect every citizen to be able to completely evaluate every single product or service they consume.

randomdata 10y ago

I think that is what the parent was suggesting. Those who want the government's evaluation can utilize the services offered by licensed providers, and those who want to do the evaluation themselves can choose whoever they want.

mistermann 10y ago
Except why do those licensed providers have to adhere to those laws, maybe they don't want to also? As well, maybe it takes a while before the true societal risks are understood, AitBNB regulations may be too weak for some reason, but until we discover that, perhaps we've "unfairly" put some marginal hotels out of business that would have survived under the impending new legislation. (Hope that makes sense?)
- randomdata 10y ago
  They adhere to the laws to maintain their licensing to attract the consumers that demand that. As with now, customers pay a premium to have a certain standard certified for them, which benefits the service provider through higher incomes. As I touched on a above, the thing about restricted markets is that price is able to rise artificially due to the unnaturally constrained supply. This ends up being a government subsidy; one that is disproportionally paid for by the poorest people. If you are already comfortable with subsidizing licensed businesses, why not continue to subsidize the marginal ones? Perhaps even in a way that is less impactful to the poorest people?

aorloff 10y ago

What people are discovering is that tech + crowdsourced feedback loop is better than gov regulation. Feedback loop is faster, more thorough, and more reliable.

cwilkes 10y ago
What's the feedback loop for someone that lives next to a place being rented out on AirBnB?
- orasis 10y ago
  If there is a loud party, call the cops.
  - bsder 10y ago
    And when the cops are getting called every week what happens? Congratulations. You just invented "zoning laws".
- jhall1468 10y ago
  Nothing, as long as the participants aren't violating the law. Much in the same way that you don't get any input on how long my grass is, unless it happens to be a fire hazard.
  - blackbagboys 10y ago
    Actually, to the contrary, through things like town ordinances and homeowner's associations it is very likely that you do get to have input on how long your neighbor's grass is
    - c22 10y ago
      I got fined by the city once for "harboring rodents" because my neighbor felt my grass was too long (and was also a dick).
    - jhall1468 10y ago
      My city has an ordinance for a fire hazard. It's established as a specific length. My neighbor does not get input on that, it either is, or is not, a violation of the city ordinance.
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