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I don't know where you get your information, but at the kind of top-tier tech companies that are being discussed here, H1B employees are not getting inferior be

I don't know where you get your information, but at the kind of top-tier tech companies that are being discussed here, H1B employees are not getting inferior benefits. And as someone that does a lot of hiring I can guarantee you that the interviewing costs, relocation costs, and language barrier trade-offs do not make up for any salary differences that may or may not occur. We're not talking about some low-tech banks and telcos trying to save a few bux by outsourcing work to india. These are companies that have a high enough bar for entry that they truly cannot hire by looking only locally and must consider the entire world. Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical. Immigrants are heavily represented amongst the tech sector, and we have a deep faith in the success of western nations being directly tied to absorbing people hungry for a new life in a new world. It's not about screwing over people who are already here, it's about making the whole country better as a result. CAVEAT: Am Canadian citizen, am first-generation immigrant. As mentioned, work for a multi-national tech company that is on this list, and hire from around the world. But I work with counterparts on the US side dealing with H1B and know they agree with me.

downandout 10y ago
>Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical. Having dealt with senior executives at more than one of the companies on the list, I can tell you that my cynicism is justified. With regard to the rest of your comment, many of these companies do an end run by hiring consulting firms that abuse the H-1B system as a business model, some abuse it directly, and some actually use the system as intended. But to imply that virtually no abuse is occurring is absurd.
Chris2048 10y ago
> H1B employees are not getting inferior benefit Techtopus involved well payed engineers (google, Apple etc), yet it still kept wages down unfairly; Even if the H1B workers are paid the same, that might be enough to prevent natural wage rises. Furthermore, I'm not sure they are: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13552944 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13552944 > These are companies that have a high enough bar for entry that they truly cannot hire by looking only locally and must consider the entire world. > Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical How much would it cost to either train local talent, or compete with other wealthy companies for limited talent? I find "we hire only the best, we need to scour the world" to be at odds with there being no financial benefit in skimming the cream off large foreign populations.
anjc 10y ago
> Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical How can you be so naïve. You just have to look at the charges against tech companies regarding displacement, or in terms of wage collusion. Or look at the mass layoffs that occur regularly. This is entirely related to saving "a few bux".
legostormtroopr 10y ago
> H1B employees are not getting inferior benefits Yes they are. Even the relatively anti-Trump Huffington Post thinks so - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13579226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13579226
- UncleMeat 10y ago
  At these corporations. What H1Bs are getting abused at Google or Microsoft?

downandout 10y ago

>Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical. Having dealt with senior executives at more than one of the companies on the list, I can tell you that my cynicism is justified. With regard to the rest of your comment, many of these companies do an end run by hiring consulting firms that abuse the H-1B system as a business model, some abuse it directly, and some actually use the system as intended. But to imply that virtually no abuse is occurring is absurd.

Chris2048 10y ago

> H1B employees are not getting inferior benefit Techtopus involved well payed engineers (google, Apple etc), yet it still kept wages down unfairly; Even if the H1B workers are paid the same, that might be enough to prevent natural wage rises. Furthermore, I'm not sure they are: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13552944 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13552944 > These are companies that have a high enough bar for entry that they truly cannot hire by looking only locally and must consider the entire world. > Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical How much would it cost to either train local talent, or compete with other wealthy companies for limited talent? I find "we hire only the best, we need to scour the world" to be at odds with there being no financial benefit in skimming the cream off large foreign populations.

anjc 10y ago

> Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical How can you be so naïve. You just have to look at the charges against tech companies regarding displacement, or in terms of wage collusion. Or look at the mass layoffs that occur regularly. This is entirely related to saving "a few bux".

legostormtroopr 10y ago

> H1B employees are not getting inferior benefits Yes they are. Even the relatively anti-Trump Huffington Post thinks so - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13579226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13579226

UncleMeat 10y ago
At these corporations. What H1Bs are getting abused at Google or Microsoft?