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I don't know what Americans are protesting about. I don't agree with the bans at all but at least you have a president who is true to his words for once - For m

I don't know what Americans are protesting about. I don't agree with the bans at all but at least you have a president who is true to his words for once - For me that is a higher moral value. You have to take the good with the bad. I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect a politician who does what he says he'll do. It's a refreshing break from the typical Washington charlatans who don't do anything of their own accord and instead just do what their crooked lobbyist friends tell them. All that said, I've had a few Iranian friends/colleagues (fellow engineers) and it's really strange to think that they're not allowed to go to the US now because they're such decent, balanced people - Also, I can't help but think about those people who left Iran 40 years ago before it was under Islamic rule but still have Citizenship.

tzmudzin 10y ago
> I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect someone who does what he says he'll do. Adolf Hitler was also keeping his promise of eliminating the Jewish "problem" or the lack of the living space for the Germans. Does this increase your respect to him? Of course this is overblown, and Trump is not Hitler. But we should learn our lessons rather than repeat the errors of the past.
- lucasverra 10y ago
  Good ol' Godwin's law, I've missed you
  - tzmudzin 10y ago
    So should we forget the Holocaust and WWII because of Godwin? Please note I've been very careful to put things into perspective here...
    - scottmf 10y ago
      >If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician -Mike Godwin
      - User23 10y ago
        The only time I've seen this is in well thought out articles demonstrating that Trump is absolutely nothing like Hitler. Here is a good example: https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/this-hitler-nonsense/ https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/this-hitler-n... Anyone reading this who feels a powerful urge to jump in and demonstrate their confirmation bias in a reply is invited to stop, take a deep breath, and think about it first.
JumpCrisscross 10y ago
> I can respect someone who does what he says he'll do The point of a leader is to do what's right, not what's popular. Short-circuiting our republic into a direct democracy defeats its purpose.
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  Trump lost the popular vote. The Republic is the only reason he can do this at all.
- Cthulhu_ 10y ago
  Then the US should overhaul its voting system completely; when you have just two parties, and when the head-of-state is a person (instead of a commission or a government without a clear leader), you will inevitably end up in a popularity contest, a contest of personalities. "What's right" is much harder to get people to vote for.
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qzervaas 10y ago
He says a lot of words. Many are false, some are true. I don't understand how everybody (well, many people at least) ignore the obvious pathological lying and conclude he's doing what he said he would.
- joering2 10y ago
  Because this is what is called to be a master at pitching snake's oil.
- coldtea 10y ago
  What "pathological lying"? He is no more lying than the average politician, and maybe less.
  - celticninja 10y ago
    What about his statements on the crowd sizes? He also said Mexico was going to pay for the wall and that doesn't look like it will happen at all.
    - jondubois 10y ago
      He said he will impose a tax on Mexican imports and use the proceeds to pay for the wall - That sounds on track.
      - _delirium 10y ago
        A 20% import tariff was floated, but was fairly quickly walked back after a cold reception from the Texas GOP delegation and strong opposition from the Texas Association of Business (Texas does a lot of import/export business with Mexico). Now they're looking into unspecified other mechanisms.
      - vacri 10y ago
        Well, it's not making Mexicans pay for it, but Americans. As for his other promises, I'm also not sure how he's going to manage to massively increase the defense forces while basically halving taxes.
0xC0DECAFE2020 10y ago
Says it all that you make a good point and are still getting down voted. This industry is very nervous about something and it's my belief it has more to do with what's coming next.
- chvid 10y ago
  What would that be (that is coming next)?
JCzynski 10y ago
Most politicians do in fact do what they say they will. It's not actually rare.
- mememachine 10y ago
  Thats really not very true
Buge 10y ago
Being true to your word doesn't mean you have to immediately send out an order with no planning, preparation, or consultation.
- coldtea 10y ago
  It does if you want to give a loud example of a new policy, to be able to scale it down afterwards, and thus has both your extremist supporters happy (because at least you did what you could) and the activists against you happy (because you "caved in" and took somethings back).
solipsism 10y ago
I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect a politician who does what he says he'll do Like release his taxes? Your memory seems selective.
powertower 10y ago
This is just virtue signaling against Trump by those that don't know they are being played. None of these people and companies (and media outlets) said anything when Obama was doing much worse, such as blowing up entire countries. Yet Trump puts into effect a temporary travel correction from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, half of which are an open death sentence destination for Americans right now, and here we see the establishment latching on to a story, removing the facts, playing with the numbers, etc, all to accomplish its anti-Trump goals. This is dirty politics being dressed up as morals and values.
- scottmf 10y ago
  >Temporary travel correction That's some talented doublespeak.
hmate9 10y ago
I am not sure why you are downvoted, regardless of whether you agree with the travel ban or not, his supporters, the people who voted for him wanted this.
- thrillgore 10y ago
  The more they keep protecting, the more we're trapped within.

tzmudzin 10y ago

> I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect someone who does what he says he'll do. Adolf Hitler was also keeping his promise of eliminating the Jewish "problem" or the lack of the living space for the Germans. Does this increase your respect to him? Of course this is overblown, and Trump is not Hitler. But we should learn our lessons rather than repeat the errors of the past.

lucasverra 10y ago
Good ol' Godwin's law, I've missed you
- tzmudzin 10y ago
  So should we forget the Holocaust and WWII because of Godwin? Please note I've been very careful to put things into perspective here...
  - scottmf 10y ago
    >If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician -Mike Godwin
    - User23 10y ago
      The only time I've seen this is in well thought out articles demonstrating that Trump is absolutely nothing like Hitler. Here is a good example: https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/this-hitler-nonsense/ https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/this-hitler-n... Anyone reading this who feels a powerful urge to jump in and demonstrate their confirmation bias in a reply is invited to stop, take a deep breath, and think about it first.

JumpCrisscross 10y ago

> I can respect someone who does what he says he'll do The point of a leader is to do what's right, not what's popular. Short-circuiting our republic into a direct democracy defeats its purpose.

Ensorceled 10y ago
Trump lost the popular vote. The Republic is the only reason he can do this at all.
Cthulhu_ 10y ago
Then the US should overhaul its voting system completely; when you have just two parties, and when the head-of-state is a person (instead of a commission or a government without a clear leader), you will inevitably end up in a popularity contest, a contest of personalities. "What's right" is much harder to get people to vote for.

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qzervaas 10y ago

He says a lot of words. Many are false, some are true. I don't understand how everybody (well, many people at least) ignore the obvious pathological lying and conclude he's doing what he said he would.

joering2 10y ago
Because this is what is called to be a master at pitching snake's oil.
coldtea 10y ago
What "pathological lying"? He is no more lying than the average politician, and maybe less.
- celticninja 10y ago
  What about his statements on the crowd sizes? He also said Mexico was going to pay for the wall and that doesn't look like it will happen at all.
  - jondubois 10y ago
    He said he will impose a tax on Mexican imports and use the proceeds to pay for the wall - That sounds on track.
    - _delirium 10y ago
      A 20% import tariff was floated, but was fairly quickly walked back after a cold reception from the Texas GOP delegation and strong opposition from the Texas Association of Business (Texas does a lot of import/export business with Mexico). Now they're looking into unspecified other mechanisms.
    - vacri 10y ago
      Well, it's not making Mexicans pay for it, but Americans. As for his other promises, I'm also not sure how he's going to manage to massively increase the defense forces while basically halving taxes.

0xC0DECAFE2020 10y ago

Says it all that you make a good point and are still getting down voted. This industry is very nervous about something and it's my belief it has more to do with what's coming next.

chvid 10y ago
What would that be (that is coming next)?

JCzynski 10y ago

Most politicians do in fact do what they say they will. It's not actually rare.

mememachine 10y ago
Thats really not very true

Buge 10y ago

Being true to your word doesn't mean you have to immediately send out an order with no planning, preparation, or consultation.

coldtea 10y ago
It does if you want to give a loud example of a new policy, to be able to scale it down afterwards, and thus has both your extremist supporters happy (because at least you did what you could) and the activists against you happy (because you "caved in" and took somethings back).

solipsism 10y ago

I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect a politician who does what he says he'll do Like release his taxes? Your memory seems selective.

powertower 10y ago

This is just virtue signaling against Trump by those that don't know they are being played. None of these people and companies (and media outlets) said anything when Obama was doing much worse, such as blowing up entire countries. Yet Trump puts into effect a temporary travel correction from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, half of which are an open death sentence destination for Americans right now, and here we see the establishment latching on to a story, removing the facts, playing with the numbers, etc, all to accomplish its anti-Trump goals. This is dirty politics being dressed up as morals and values.

scottmf 10y ago
>Temporary travel correction That's some talented doublespeak.

hmate9 10y ago

I am not sure why you are downvoted, regardless of whether you agree with the travel ban or not, his supporters, the people who voted for him wanted this.

thrillgore 10y ago
The more they keep protecting, the more we're trapped within.