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Makes sense as Elon is a Trump advisor. Also interestingly missing: Amazon.

techman9 10y ago
They already filed a declaration in the original motion for a TRO. http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/Declaration%20of%20Ayesha%20Blackwell-Hawkins.pdf http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Anot...
wonnage 10y ago
i believe amazon and expedia were part of the suit https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/yet-another-judge-rules-against-trumps-immigration-ban/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/yet-another-judg...
mschuster91 10y ago
I believe Elon Musk is playing (once again) the ultra-long game. He is betting that the court system as well as Congress will limit Donald Trump and his cronies from doing something that is grounds for impeachment - and so Donald Trump will be in office for the entire term. Given this, it makes sense to be in a position that has at least a tiny bit of influence on Trump. Amazon has a similar position: they need large amounts of (immigrant) labor for their warehouses, but also are extremely dependent on free trade, especially import tariffs. So, they're likely afraid of openly defying Donald Trump, because they fear that Trump could retaliate against them. The other companies which are on the list (except Apple!) are a hard target for Trump as they do not depend on overseas goods import and thus cannot be hit by import tariffs - the only way to hit them is by deporting the foreign workers they already have, and the courts have shown they won't let pass deportations of legal immigrants. So, for these companies it's relatively easy to sign.
- justinv 10y ago
  Amazon was one of the first to file their brief - in the original lawsuit. Bezos has no problem rocking the boat & actually wrote one of the stronger worded condemnations in the industry.
  - sremani 10y ago
    Bezos has been trolling trump using what used to be a respectable publication called Washington Post for about 14 months now ?
    - celticninja 10y ago
      Trolling?
- snotrockets 10y ago
  Musk might outsmart us all, but by going down to that crossroads in Clarksdale, he does not, and will not, outmoral a slug.
  - baq 10y ago
    Morality is like an ass - everybody has their own. Musk wants to see a self sustaining, fossil fuel free civilisation, and a backup off site. I'm not saying it's morally right, in fact it might be straight out of Machiavelli ideas, but you are right in that it's a long position.
    - TorKlingberg 10y ago
      Morality, stripped of religious connotations, is just about what is good and bad. If you think fossil fuel independence and Mars colonization are good things, those are moral statements.
      - baq 10y ago
        I agree completely. I'm just saying that everyone has his own ideas of what is good or bad (or evil for that matter). One person's good may be the other's bad.
- pvg 10y ago
  No large company is particularly keen to vocally oppose an administration, especially not one led by a person so demonstrably thin-skinned and vindictive as Trump. The complicated 'ultra long game' theory is just an attempt to think away the awful moral choice Musk has made - to collaborate with and enable an administration that deliberately stokes xenophobic and religious fears for political gain, at the cost of real and immediate harm to innocent people. It's just bad and not any kind of game at all.
- sremani 10y ago
  when was last time an EO was ground for impeachment?
- coldtea 10y ago
  >He is betting that the court system as well as Congress will limit Donald Trump and his cronies from doing something that is grounds for impeachment - and so Donald Trump will be in office for the entire term. If somebody doesn't believe Trump will be in office for the entire term, they are deluded.
  - mschuster91 10y ago
    I certainly hope that Trump won't serve his full term, but I believe he will. The problem is that it would take a really epic scandal to get Trump formally impeached - you need a 2/3 majority, and even the stuff Trump has done already was not enough to organize an impeachment. The other obvious solution might be that someone kills or maims Trump, but no one wants that. No matter how evil Trump is, murder is NOT a solution. Actually, it might even cause civil war if Trump or one of his cronies is assassinated, and the consequences are unimaginable.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >No matter how evil Trump is Evil is a theological assessment. Do people really believe Trump (or other politicians) are some kind of evil incarnate, constantly thinking about how to do harm? It's just people with different values and different approaches on the world. Of course not all approaches are equally valid, and some can be said to be evil or harmful etc, but nothing Trump ever did can warrant the person is particularly bad -- or that different from most politicians and businessmen for that matter.
      - threeseed 10y ago
        Trump is not evil. But he is morally bankrupt. When you brag about sexually assaulting women whilst your wife is pregnant or the callous, baseless attacks on minorities and the weak you really are the lowest of the low.
        coldtea 10y ago
        >When you brag about sexually assaulting women whilst your wife is pregnant He didn't say about "sexually assaulting" women as if he's some rapist. Just that if some are rich/famous they'll be open to them, and let them "grab them by the, etc". Which, in many cases, it's true (and it's their choice if they prefer the rich guy with the yaughts, not an assault). In any case, nothing more or less, than half of the US talks about between male friends (female friends can say even worse stuff). Is that a big deal? Or just puritanism? Millions of Americans have for example cheated on their wives, when they were pregnant. And likewise for women in relationships. It's nice to pretend it's all some happy-go-lucky PC world, where there's nothing but respect in families etc, but it's nothing like that. That doesn't mean all those people are "morally bankrupt", just that they are human.
- celticninja 10y ago
  Isn't Jeff Bezos involved in a spat with trump already, over the Washington Post reporting?
- threeseed 10y ago
  > Elon Musk is playing (once again) the ultra-long game He's also playing the short game. Sucking up to Trump is a smart business move when you're in industries that could be adversely affected by a relaxing of energy regulations or a reduction in funding for space programs. Just a shame Musk doesn't own up to it.

They already filed a declaration in the original motion for a TRO. http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/Declaration%20of%20Ayesha%20Blackwell-Hawkins.pdf http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Anot...

wonnage 10y ago

i believe amazon and expedia were part of the suit https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/yet-another-judge-rules-against-trumps-immigration-ban/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/02/yet-another-judg...

mschuster91 10y ago

I believe Elon Musk is playing (once again) the ultra-long game. He is betting that the court system as well as Congress will limit Donald Trump and his cronies from doing something that is grounds for impeachment - and so Donald Trump will be in office for the entire term. Given this, it makes sense to be in a position that has at least a tiny bit of influence on Trump. Amazon has a similar position: they need large amounts of (immigrant) labor for their warehouses, but also are extremely dependent on free trade, especially import tariffs. So, they're likely afraid of openly defying Donald Trump, because they fear that Trump could retaliate against them. The other companies which are on the list (except Apple!) are a hard target for Trump as they do not depend on overseas goods import and thus cannot be hit by import tariffs - the only way to hit them is by deporting the foreign workers they already have, and the courts have shown they won't let pass deportations of legal immigrants. So, for these companies it's relatively easy to sign.

justinv 10y ago
Amazon was one of the first to file their brief - in the original lawsuit. Bezos has no problem rocking the boat & actually wrote one of the stronger worded condemnations in the industry.
- sremani 10y ago
  Bezos has been trolling trump using what used to be a respectable publication called Washington Post for about 14 months now ?
  - celticninja 10y ago
    Trolling?
snotrockets 10y ago
Musk might outsmart us all, but by going down to that crossroads in Clarksdale, he does not, and will not, outmoral a slug.
- baq 10y ago
  Morality is like an ass - everybody has their own. Musk wants to see a self sustaining, fossil fuel free civilisation, and a backup off site. I'm not saying it's morally right, in fact it might be straight out of Machiavelli ideas, but you are right in that it's a long position.
  - TorKlingberg 10y ago
    Morality, stripped of religious connotations, is just about what is good and bad. If you think fossil fuel independence and Mars colonization are good things, those are moral statements.
    - baq 10y ago
      I agree completely. I'm just saying that everyone has his own ideas of what is good or bad (or evil for that matter). One person's good may be the other's bad.
pvg 10y ago
No large company is particularly keen to vocally oppose an administration, especially not one led by a person so demonstrably thin-skinned and vindictive as Trump. The complicated 'ultra long game' theory is just an attempt to think away the awful moral choice Musk has made - to collaborate with and enable an administration that deliberately stokes xenophobic and religious fears for political gain, at the cost of real and immediate harm to innocent people. It's just bad and not any kind of game at all.
sremani 10y ago
when was last time an EO was ground for impeachment?
coldtea 10y ago
>He is betting that the court system as well as Congress will limit Donald Trump and his cronies from doing something that is grounds for impeachment - and so Donald Trump will be in office for the entire term. If somebody doesn't believe Trump will be in office for the entire term, they are deluded.
- mschuster91 10y ago
  I certainly hope that Trump won't serve his full term, but I believe he will. The problem is that it would take a really epic scandal to get Trump formally impeached - you need a 2/3 majority, and even the stuff Trump has done already was not enough to organize an impeachment. The other obvious solution might be that someone kills or maims Trump, but no one wants that. No matter how evil Trump is, murder is NOT a solution. Actually, it might even cause civil war if Trump or one of his cronies is assassinated, and the consequences are unimaginable.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >No matter how evil Trump is Evil is a theological assessment. Do people really believe Trump (or other politicians) are some kind of evil incarnate, constantly thinking about how to do harm? It's just people with different values and different approaches on the world. Of course not all approaches are equally valid, and some can be said to be evil or harmful etc, but nothing Trump ever did can warrant the person is particularly bad -- or that different from most politicians and businessmen for that matter.
    - threeseed 10y ago
      Trump is not evil. But he is morally bankrupt. When you brag about sexually assaulting women whilst your wife is pregnant or the callous, baseless attacks on minorities and the weak you really are the lowest of the low.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >When you brag about sexually assaulting women whilst your wife is pregnant He didn't say about "sexually assaulting" women as if he's some rapist. Just that if some are rich/famous they'll be open to them, and let them "grab them by the, etc". Which, in many cases, it's true (and it's their choice if they prefer the rich guy with the yaughts, not an assault). In any case, nothing more or less, than half of the US talks about between male friends (female friends can say even worse stuff). Is that a big deal? Or just puritanism? Millions of Americans have for example cheated on their wives, when they were pregnant. And likewise for women in relationships. It's nice to pretend it's all some happy-go-lucky PC world, where there's nothing but respect in families etc, but it's nothing like that. That doesn't mean all those people are "morally bankrupt", just that they are human.
celticninja 10y ago
Isn't Jeff Bezos involved in a spat with trump already, over the Washington Post reporting?
threeseed 10y ago
> Elon Musk is playing (once again) the ultra-long game He's also playing the short game. Sucking up to Trump is a smart business move when you're in industries that could be adversely affected by a relaxing of energy regulations or a reduction in funding for space programs. Just a shame Musk doesn't own up to it.