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Is there something that stops American workers moving to American places that have jobs? It seems to me that a lot already do that.

by scholia 10y ago

flukus 10y ago
They have to be jobs worth moving for and capable of sustaining you when you get there.
- scholia 10y ago
  Indeed. Isn't that part of supply and demand running its course?
  - flukus 10y ago
    The point is that demand isn't rising (wages are still low for those jobs) because there is a steady stream of new supply (immigration) being added.
drob 10y ago
There are a number of factors that make relocation harder and less common than it needs to be. One is the number of underwater mortgages – mortgages in which the remaining balance is greater than the value of the home – which make selling all but impossible. Another is that the parts of the country with growing economies and lots of great jobs are generally cities with incredibly high rents. It's not easy to move halfway across the country to take an entry-level job and somehow live off that if you need to pay Bay Area / NY Area / DC Area / etc rents, and doubly so if you have a family. This is one reason I think it's so critical to build a serious urbanist movement in US. The status quo of restrictive zoning, low building, and sky-high rents keeps hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the places that would enable them to build better lives. If we allowed our cities to grow and invested in the transit infrastructure to keep them livable at even moderately higher densities, it could unleash a tremendous amount of prosperity.
yummyfajitas 10y ago
Many things. We heavily subsidize home ownership, which creates huge disincentives for mobility. In reality we should probably tax it and subsidize renters. We pay people to sit around in their old location rather than moving. Our "disability insurance" program is actually a giant secret welfare program for people who refuse to leave economically depressed areas. http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ We drastically restrict housing supply in economically productive areas.
- someguydave 10y ago
  Not to mention that most welfare is run through state programs - moving to another state probably entails loads of paperwork with the local welfare/medicare/medicaid office depending on what program you are on.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>Is there something that stops American workers moving to American places that have jobs? Well, most of Middle America has high home-ownership rates, underwater mortgages, no public transit, gutted public education, and nearly zero public health-care. So yes, a whole lot is stopping people moving: they're broke, stuck with a mortgage, and would have to go further into debt to move, without a job offer.

Is there something that stops American workers moving to American places that have jobs? It seems to me that a lot already do that.

by scholia 10y ago

Is there something that stops American workers moving to American places that have jobs? It seems to me that a lot already do that.

flukus 10y ago

They have to be jobs worth moving for and capable of sustaining you when you get there.

scholia 10y ago
Indeed. Isn't that part of supply and demand running its course?
- flukus 10y ago
  The point is that demand isn't rising (wages are still low for those jobs) because there is a steady stream of new supply (immigration) being added.

drob 10y ago

There are a number of factors that make relocation harder and less common than it needs to be. One is the number of underwater mortgages – mortgages in which the remaining balance is greater than the value of the home – which make selling all but impossible. Another is that the parts of the country with growing economies and lots of great jobs are generally cities with incredibly high rents. It's not easy to move halfway across the country to take an entry-level job and somehow live off that if you need to pay Bay Area / NY Area / DC Area / etc rents, and doubly so if you have a family. This is one reason I think it's so critical to build a serious urbanist movement in US. The status quo of restrictive zoning, low building, and sky-high rents keeps hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the places that would enable them to build better lives. If we allowed our cities to grow and invested in the transit infrastructure to keep them livable at even moderately higher densities, it could unleash a tremendous amount of prosperity.

yummyfajitas 10y ago

Many things. We heavily subsidize home ownership, which creates huge disincentives for mobility. In reality we should probably tax it and subsidize renters. We pay people to sit around in their old location rather than moving. Our "disability insurance" program is actually a giant secret welfare program for people who refuse to leave economically depressed areas. http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ We drastically restrict housing supply in economically productive areas.

someguydave 10y ago
Not to mention that most welfare is run through state programs - moving to another state probably entails loads of paperwork with the local welfare/medicare/medicaid office depending on what program you are on.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

>Is there something that stops American workers moving to American places that have jobs? Well, most of Middle America has high home-ownership rates, underwater mortgages, no public transit, gutted public education, and nearly zero public health-care. So yes, a whole lot is stopping people moving: they're broke, stuck with a mortgage, and would have to go further into debt to move, without a job offer.