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Dont get me wrong. But to my understanding these visas would be used by a lot of people from countries with way better education systems. Hence the whole reason

by herbst 10y ago

Dont get me wrong. But to my understanding these visas would be used by a lot of people from countries with way better education systems. Hence the whole reason for this. Edit:// as example. Right now barely any swiss tech pros consider the U.S. as interesting destination. A lot of husstle for just minimal more pay.

sverige 10y ago
I would prefer to live in Switzerland over Silicon Valley too. And a generation ago I might have argued that the US education system was as good or better than Switzerland's, but I can't make that argument now. But it's still better than most places, and certainly good enough to provide qualified workers.
hocuspocus 10y ago
As a Swiss working abroad (in Berlin right now), it's not always about pay, two years ago I interviewed with a dozen of companies in the US because there are just so many more opportunities.
- herbst 10y ago
  True that. But there are many options outside of the U.S. that are less complicated to reach. Like berlin, schengen makes it easy
  - hocuspocus 10y ago
    Yes indeed. And high salaries don't make up for everything. And these days companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon,... are increasing their engineering headcount in Europe (they must realize how cheap European engineers are with the strong USD :) Sadly in my case I was applying for jobs at companies that are relatively big but concentrate their developers in the silicon valley.
    - herbst 10y ago
      If i learned one thing in switzerlands IT is that it is easy to earn a lot but also relatively easy to earn more than enough while still having a lot of free time and beeing able to enjoy your job. I just throw in the money argument because almost always i say anything against SV someone comes with the money argument ;)
  - geodel 10y ago
    > But there are many options outside of the U.S. that are less complicated to reach.. Less complicated to reach if one is based in EU or is from USA, Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland. So basically 85% world population is excluded from working there.
geodel 10y ago
It is not about education system. It is the dream of lots of third world natives to have a shot at 'dream life' in the first world. So any kind visa including asylum, religious freedom etc are prone to misuse and exploitation.
- herbst 10y ago
  Yeah i cant disagree that this opens missuse but i also dont really see the issue. Except a few countries (like the U.S. recently) the world is pretty free already and shit did not go to crazy until a certain war made basically a complete country moving west at once. The general consent, except the phanatic freaks, was "we've done that, we deserve that"

by herbst 10y ago

sverige 10y ago

I would prefer to live in Switzerland over Silicon Valley too. And a generation ago I might have argued that the US education system was as good or better than Switzerland's, but I can't make that argument now. But it's still better than most places, and certainly good enough to provide qualified workers.

hocuspocus 10y ago

As a Swiss working abroad (in Berlin right now), it's not always about pay, two years ago I interviewed with a dozen of companies in the US because there are just so many more opportunities.

herbst 10y ago
True that. But there are many options outside of the U.S. that are less complicated to reach. Like berlin, schengen makes it easy
- hocuspocus 10y ago
  Yes indeed. And high salaries don't make up for everything. And these days companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon,... are increasing their engineering headcount in Europe (they must realize how cheap European engineers are with the strong USD :) Sadly in my case I was applying for jobs at companies that are relatively big but concentrate their developers in the silicon valley.
  - herbst 10y ago
    If i learned one thing in switzerlands IT is that it is easy to earn a lot but also relatively easy to earn more than enough while still having a lot of free time and beeing able to enjoy your job. I just throw in the money argument because almost always i say anything against SV someone comes with the money argument ;)
- geodel 10y ago
  > But there are many options outside of the U.S. that are less complicated to reach.. Less complicated to reach if one is based in EU or is from USA, Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland. So basically 85% world population is excluded from working there.

geodel 10y ago

It is not about education system. It is the dream of lots of third world natives to have a shot at 'dream life' in the first world. So any kind visa including asylum, religious freedom etc are prone to misuse and exploitation.

herbst 10y ago
Yeah i cant disagree that this opens missuse but i also dont really see the issue. Except a few countries (like the U.S. recently) the world is pretty free already and shit did not go to crazy until a certain war made basically a complete country moving west at once. The general consent, except the phanatic freaks, was "we've done that, we deserve that"