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A lot of US companies were founded or co-founded by immigrants including Google (Brin), Yahoo (Yang), eBay (Omidyar), PayPal (Levchin, Thiel, Nosek), WhatsApp (

by scholia 10y ago

A lot of US companies were founded or co-founded by immigrants including Google (Brin), Yahoo (Yang), eBay (Omidyar), PayPal (Levchin, Thiel, Nosek), WhatsApp (Koum), Tesla (Musk), Radioshack (Deutschmann), Comcast (Aaron), Nordstrom (Nordstrom), Colgate (Colgate), DuPont (DuPont), Kraft (Kraft), Pfizer (Pfizer), Procter & Gamble (Procter & Gamble) and AT&T (Bell). Apple was co-founded by the son of a Syrian from Homs, and Intel wouldn't be the company it is today without Hungarian-born refugee Andy Grove. Companies founded or co-founded by the children of immigrants include Walt Disney (from Canada), Oracle (Russia and Iran), IBM (Germany), Boeing (Germany), 3M (Canada) and Home Depot (Russia). More than 40% of the Fortune 500 in 2010 were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. If the US blocks immigration, it will be much worse off. If the best people go to other countries, those countries will probably end up much better off.

herbst 10y ago
To be fair in my POV you are all just immigrants. When someone in europe knows about his 500 year history he also usually considers himself part of his origin culture and does not claim to be 100% whatever his passport says. Fucking 500 years. Most beers i like exist for longer.
- refurb 10y ago
  To be fair in my POV you are all just immigrants. That argument gets us no where. If you go back far enough, everyone is an immigrant everywhere in the world except for a small group of sub-saharan africans. And even in that case, they probably migrated. It's adds nothing to the conversation.
  - herbst 10y ago
    If you think so ok. That exact thought you explain is something i like to keep in mind it is a easy objective thought to show that we are all just humans
sverige 10y ago
Right, but I don't believe any of those people came here on an H-1B visa. And it seems like many of the best and brightest are still trying to get into the US, though right now perhaps fewer than previously. I'm not arguing against immigration. Heck, I don't even think that the current administration is against immigration. (Yes, I know this is not the popular view of the current administration here on HN.) My point was that the H-1B program is basically built on the hypocrisy that these are jobs that cannot be filled without bringing in immigrants because no one here has the skills. It seems pretty obvious that the reality is that the H-1B program is built to enable employers to bring in high-skilled workers at a steeply discounted rate, and to keep them steeply discounted by preventing the immigrants from looking for better jobs once they get here. If this were untrue, I wouldn't read so many comments and even articles about how people here on H-1B visas ought to have the right to find another job. In other words, make the program declare its real intentions. But that would never fly, because politically it would be unpalatable to people in any part of the political spectrum, with the possible exception of the <1% of those who profit from H-1B employees.
- scholia 10y ago
  Agreed! In passing, tech companies only use a small proportion of H-1B visas -- less than 100,000 out of 647,852 from Oct 1 2015 to Sept 30 2016 -- and most of those are Indian outsourcing firms: Wipro, Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services, IBM India (75,606). https://www.axios.com/tech-firms-arent-biggest-filers-of-visa-applications-2226392488.html https://www.axios.com/tech-firms-arent-biggest-filers-of-vis...
- toast0 10y ago
  > Right, but I don't believe any of those people came here on an H-1B visa. I looked at a couple of the tech people noted, and many of them came with their parents while they were young, a few came for college, and could possibly have stayed on an H-1B or without legal status. Often citizenship dates were reported, but other status wasn't well reported.
- learc83 10y ago
  >Heck, I don't even think that the current administration is against immigration. (Yes, I know this is not the popular view of the current administration here on HN.) His top advisor, Steve Bannon, is definitely against immigration. "Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, is not illegal immigration? As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem, we’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem?"

by scholia 10y ago

herbst 10y ago

To be fair in my POV you are all just immigrants. When someone in europe knows about his 500 year history he also usually considers himself part of his origin culture and does not claim to be 100% whatever his passport says. Fucking 500 years. Most beers i like exist for longer.

refurb 10y ago
To be fair in my POV you are all just immigrants. That argument gets us no where. If you go back far enough, everyone is an immigrant everywhere in the world except for a small group of sub-saharan africans. And even in that case, they probably migrated. It's adds nothing to the conversation.
- herbst 10y ago
  If you think so ok. That exact thought you explain is something i like to keep in mind it is a easy objective thought to show that we are all just humans

sverige 10y ago

Right, but I don't believe any of those people came here on an H-1B visa. And it seems like many of the best and brightest are still trying to get into the US, though right now perhaps fewer than previously. I'm not arguing against immigration. Heck, I don't even think that the current administration is against immigration. (Yes, I know this is not the popular view of the current administration here on HN.) My point was that the H-1B program is basically built on the hypocrisy that these are jobs that cannot be filled without bringing in immigrants because no one here has the skills. It seems pretty obvious that the reality is that the H-1B program is built to enable employers to bring in high-skilled workers at a steeply discounted rate, and to keep them steeply discounted by preventing the immigrants from looking for better jobs once they get here. If this were untrue, I wouldn't read so many comments and even articles about how people here on H-1B visas ought to have the right to find another job. In other words, make the program declare its real intentions. But that would never fly, because politically it would be unpalatable to people in any part of the political spectrum, with the possible exception of the <1% of those who profit from H-1B employees.

scholia 10y ago
Agreed! In passing, tech companies only use a small proportion of H-1B visas -- less than 100,000 out of 647,852 from Oct 1 2015 to Sept 30 2016 -- and most of those are Indian outsourcing firms: Wipro, Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services, IBM India (75,606). https://www.axios.com/tech-firms-arent-biggest-filers-of-visa-applications-2226392488.html https://www.axios.com/tech-firms-arent-biggest-filers-of-vis...
toast0 10y ago
> Right, but I don't believe any of those people came here on an H-1B visa. I looked at a couple of the tech people noted, and many of them came with their parents while they were young, a few came for college, and could possibly have stayed on an H-1B or without legal status. Often citizenship dates were reported, but other status wasn't well reported.
learc83 10y ago
>Heck, I don't even think that the current administration is against immigration. (Yes, I know this is not the popular view of the current administration here on HN.) His top advisor, Steve Bannon, is definitely against immigration. "Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, is not illegal immigration? As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem, we’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem?"