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I can't recall specifics, but look at this: http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the

by adekok 10y ago

I can't recall specifics, but look at this: http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_States http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoiding_a_transit_of_the_United_St... The US doesn't allow "sterile transit". You MUST clear customs if you land in the States. And it requires a visa for most people. FTA: The US also has a "no fly list"; if your name is on that, you cannot board a flight that will pass through US airspace, even if the flight does not land in the US (eg. flights from Mexico to Canada). i.e. there is every reason to believe that someone on a "no fly list" who accidentally lands in the States will be arrested. Similarly, anyone without a visa is breaking the law, and can be arrested.

morgante 10y ago
> The US doesn't allow "sterile transit." Sure, but that's entirely unrelated to the original comment. It also applies to everyone. Your original comment suggested that a single passenger can be singled out for arrest due to a forced non-routine stop. If it's a "well known" phenomenon it shouldn't be hard to find a single source. I'm not trying to be combative, but in general I think claims of sneaky and absurd behavior should be backed by evidence.
- adekok 10y ago
  > I think claims of sneaky and absurd behavior Such as following the law? a) there is no "sterile transit" in the US b) there is a "no fly list" What do you think happens to someone who's on the "no fly list" and lands in the US? They get milk and cookies? https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority s to identify and interdict persons who have already committed or may potentially commit a terrorist act in the future. Or this: https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-the-passengers-crew-on-an-airliner-forced-to-make-an-emergency-landing-in-a-country-and-their-passports-lack-a-valid-entry-visa https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-the-passengers-crew-on... So... you're saying they have the legal right to arrest people, and people will land in the States when they are banned from entry, but that it (a) has never happened, or (b) never will happen? Come on... there's being skeptical, and there's being so closed minded that reality can't get in,
  - morgante 10y ago
    Your original comment made it seem like individual passengers would be targeted. It's growing increasingly clear that you're not engaging in good faith. Instead of providing any evidence of this actually happening, you continue to insist on snark and vague accusations. > a) there is no "sterile transit" in the US There isn't, but that is completely immaterial: an international flight is extremely unlikely to include only a single non-American. In such a situation, it's absurd to claim that CBP would board and arrest a single non-American. Your Quora link doesn't support your point. It makes it clear that there are sane procedures in place (ideally, passengers never deplane) and that CBP doesn't board planes and arrest people for accidentally entering the US. Until you can provide a single example of this actually happening (someone being arrested for illegally entering the US after an emergency landing), I'm going to stop engaging with your FUD.
    - adekok 10y ago
      > an international flight is extremely unlikely to include only a single non-American. In such a situation, it's absurd to claim that CBP would board and arrest a single non-American. <sigh> I was wondering if you could read my messages as written. It is not absurd to suggest that someone on the no-fly list, or someone previously refused a visa, or someone with an arrest warrant in the US would be arrested in such a situation. > Your Quora link doesn't support your point. It makes it clear that there are sane procedures in place (ideally, passengers never deplane) and that CBP doesn't board planes and arrest people for accidentally entering the US. It shows that people involuntarily entering the States are processed by the CBP. To repeat my last question, which you side-stepped: you're saying they have the legal right to arrest people, and people will land in the States when they are banned from entry, but that it (a) has never happened, or (b) never will happen? Only someone with an entirely closed mind would deny that it would never happen. The fact that I can't find which article I read (years ago) is almost irrelevant. The laws permit them to do this, and no reasonable person would deny that the CBP would always sit idly by while someone on the no-fly list, or someone previously refused a visa, or someone with an arrest warrant in the US was in front of them. > I'm going to stop engaging with your FUD. Yeah, showing that the CBP (a) has the power to do something, and (b) has used that power... is FUD. What, exactly, is wrong with you?

by adekok 10y ago

morgante 10y ago

> The US doesn't allow "sterile transit." Sure, but that's entirely unrelated to the original comment. It also applies to everyone. Your original comment suggested that a single passenger can be singled out for arrest due to a forced non-routine stop. If it's a "well known" phenomenon it shouldn't be hard to find a single source. I'm not trying to be combative, but in general I think claims of sneaky and absurd behavior should be backed by evidence.

adekok 10y ago
> I think claims of sneaky and absurd behavior Such as following the law? a) there is no "sterile transit" in the US b) there is a "no fly list" What do you think happens to someone who's on the "no fly list" and lands in the US? They get milk and cookies? https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority https://www.cbp.gov/travel/cbp-search-authority s to identify and interdict persons who have already committed or may potentially commit a terrorist act in the future. Or this: https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-the-passengers-crew-on-an-airliner-forced-to-make-an-emergency-landing-in-a-country-and-their-passports-lack-a-valid-entry-visa https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-the-passengers-crew-on... So... you're saying they have the legal right to arrest people, and people will land in the States when they are banned from entry, but that it (a) has never happened, or (b) never will happen? Come on... there's being skeptical, and there's being so closed minded that reality can't get in,
- morgante 10y ago
  Your original comment made it seem like individual passengers would be targeted. It's growing increasingly clear that you're not engaging in good faith. Instead of providing any evidence of this actually happening, you continue to insist on snark and vague accusations. > a) there is no "sterile transit" in the US There isn't, but that is completely immaterial: an international flight is extremely unlikely to include only a single non-American. In such a situation, it's absurd to claim that CBP would board and arrest a single non-American. Your Quora link doesn't support your point. It makes it clear that there are sane procedures in place (ideally, passengers never deplane) and that CBP doesn't board planes and arrest people for accidentally entering the US. Until you can provide a single example of this actually happening (someone being arrested for illegally entering the US after an emergency landing), I'm going to stop engaging with your FUD.
  - adekok 10y ago
    > an international flight is extremely unlikely to include only a single non-American. In such a situation, it's absurd to claim that CBP would board and arrest a single non-American. <sigh> I was wondering if you could read my messages as written. It is not absurd to suggest that someone on the no-fly list, or someone previously refused a visa, or someone with an arrest warrant in the US would be arrested in such a situation. > Your Quora link doesn't support your point. It makes it clear that there are sane procedures in place (ideally, passengers never deplane) and that CBP doesn't board planes and arrest people for accidentally entering the US. It shows that people involuntarily entering the States are processed by the CBP. To repeat my last question, which you side-stepped: you're saying they have the legal right to arrest people, and people will land in the States when they are banned from entry, but that it (a) has never happened, or (b) never will happen? Only someone with an entirely closed mind would deny that it would never happen. The fact that I can't find which article I read (years ago) is almost irrelevant. The laws permit them to do this, and no reasonable person would deny that the CBP would always sit idly by while someone on the no-fly list, or someone previously refused a visa, or someone with an arrest warrant in the US was in front of them. > I'm going to stop engaging with your FUD. Yeah, showing that the CBP (a) has the power to do something, and (b) has used that power... is FUD. What, exactly, is wrong with you?