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Driven out by who? A mass group of secret conspirators?

by whenwillitstop 10y ago

psyc 10y ago
Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.
- alimw 10y ago
  Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case. EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.
  - psyc 10y ago
    What I am saying, is that the two biggest complaints that women who have worked in this industry have stated to me, are being hit on, and being harassed. Not as a single incident, but as a pattern. The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying, and women haven't actually said these things to me.
    - Godel_unicode 10y ago
      > The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying First, that's lacking in civility, you've been here long enough to know that tone isn't appropriate. Now then. The fact that your experience is not statistically significant isn't a possible counter argument? In order for you to be right, you would need evidence not only that most female mathematicians were harassed, but that they left the field because of if. If you have exit interview data for a random sample of former mathematicians, there are a lot of people here who would probably love to talk to you. This is an especially unfortunate stance given that this is an article about math. Edit: I make no claims one way or the other, I'm only talking about statistical validity.
    - whenwillitstop 10y ago
      Lets do the math, there are about 3.6 Million software engineers. Software engineering is 90% male. There should be 1.8 Million women to fill that demand, but there is about only 360,000. 1.8 M - 360,00 = 1.44 Million cases of sexual harrassment and other gender based discrimination, across the whole country, and across all groups of men. Is that logical to you? Does that sound real? Do you have a low IQ?
      - dang 10y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly being uncivil.
    - watwut 10y ago
      Question: had they worked in the same company or same geographical area? I found that there is big difference between how companies and groups treat people.
  - Godel_unicode 10y ago
    Fwiw, I didn't read your post as an attack, you'll need a wider sample to be sure what others thought though :)
- whenwillitstop 10y ago
  Your logic: Men in specific industries have a higher likelihood to sexually assault women, so much so that it pushes 90% of the women out of an industry with greater than 10M people. Do you understand how delusional that is?
  - stale2002 10y ago
    It is not about actual sexual assault. It is about a hostile work environment. Just because your coworkers aren't literally raping you doesn't mean that there aren't men out there who will be huge assholes to women.

Driven out by who? A mass group of secret conspirators?

psyc 10y ago

Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.

alimw 10y ago
Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case. EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.
- psyc 10y ago
  What I am saying, is that the two biggest complaints that women who have worked in this industry have stated to me, are being hit on, and being harassed. Not as a single incident, but as a pattern. The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying, and women haven't actually said these things to me.
  - Godel_unicode 10y ago
    > The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying First, that's lacking in civility, you've been here long enough to know that tone isn't appropriate. Now then. The fact that your experience is not statistically significant isn't a possible counter argument? In order for you to be right, you would need evidence not only that most female mathematicians were harassed, but that they left the field because of if. If you have exit interview data for a random sample of former mathematicians, there are a lot of people here who would probably love to talk to you. This is an especially unfortunate stance given that this is an article about math. Edit: I make no claims one way or the other, I'm only talking about statistical validity.
  - whenwillitstop 10y ago
    Lets do the math, there are about 3.6 Million software engineers. Software engineering is 90% male. There should be 1.8 Million women to fill that demand, but there is about only 360,000. 1.8 M - 360,00 = 1.44 Million cases of sexual harrassment and other gender based discrimination, across the whole country, and across all groups of men. Is that logical to you? Does that sound real? Do you have a low IQ?
    - dang 10y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly being uncivil.
  - watwut 10y ago
    Question: had they worked in the same company or same geographical area? I found that there is big difference between how companies and groups treat people.
- Godel_unicode 10y ago
  Fwiw, I didn't read your post as an attack, you'll need a wider sample to be sure what others thought though :)
whenwillitstop 10y ago
Your logic: Men in specific industries have a higher likelihood to sexually assault women, so much so that it pushes 90% of the women out of an industry with greater than 10M people. Do you understand how delusional that is?
- stale2002 10y ago
  It is not about actual sexual assault. It is about a hostile work environment. Just because your coworkers aren't literally raping you doesn't mean that there aren't men out there who will be huge assholes to women.