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Given some of the comments, I'll make the same comment I've made before: Stroustrup is right, there are languages that people complain about, and languages tha

by DrBazza 10y ago

Given some of the comments, I'll make the same comment I've made before: Stroustrup is right, there are languages that people complain about, and languages that no-one uses. Go is now firmly in the former camp. I'm a C++ dev, and I really enjoy using Go. If you don't like what it does or how it does it, it's not for you. Either way, people are out there using it, making systems from it, and generally getting on with it.

mattnewton 10y ago
Idk if that's such a clean binary, one of my favorite languages is Haskell, and people both complain about that and don't use it :)
- dtzur 10y ago
  Imagine I gave you reddit gold
- ice109 10y ago
  I'm starting a backend job tomorrow that's all Haskell. what are people's complaints?
  - shard972 10y ago
    The main one I see is that it is too hard for programmers who don't fully understand haskell/functional programming. I see people complain at times about it's performance but there is always someone there to rebut that it's fast at some things but not others.
    - ice109 10y ago
      yea compile times are killing my ability to iterate.
tdestan 10y ago
> Stroustrup is right, there are languages that people complain about, and languages that no-one uses. This quote has always struck me as an intellectually lazy cop out to avoid engaging with criticism. It's an indirect appeal to the fallacy of false equivalence: "If people actually used language $Foo, surely they would complain about it just as much, because all programming languages are basically the same." > Either way, people are out there using it, making systems from it, and generally getting on with it. See, this argument could be used to dismiss any criticism of just about anything.
- ino 10y ago
  To me that quote says that there's no such thing as a perfect language. Different tools for different jobs. If you wander too far from the main domain of the language, you'll find quirks and it's maybe better to use something else.

by DrBazza 10y ago

mattnewton 10y ago

Idk if that's such a clean binary, one of my favorite languages is Haskell, and people both complain about that and don't use it :)

dtzur 10y ago
Imagine I gave you reddit gold
ice109 10y ago
I'm starting a backend job tomorrow that's all Haskell. what are people's complaints?
- shard972 10y ago
  The main one I see is that it is too hard for programmers who don't fully understand haskell/functional programming. I see people complain at times about it's performance but there is always someone there to rebut that it's fast at some things but not others.
  - ice109 10y ago
    yea compile times are killing my ability to iterate.

tdestan 10y ago

> Stroustrup is right, there are languages that people complain about, and languages that no-one uses. This quote has always struck me as an intellectually lazy cop out to avoid engaging with criticism. It's an indirect appeal to the fallacy of false equivalence: "If people actually used language $Foo, surely they would complain about it just as much, because all programming languages are basically the same." > Either way, people are out there using it, making systems from it, and generally getting on with it. See, this argument could be used to dismiss any criticism of just about anything.

ino 10y ago
To me that quote says that there's no such thing as a perfect language. Different tools for different jobs. If you wander too far from the main domain of the language, you'll find quirks and it's maybe better to use something else.