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Protesting peacefully != destroying private property and committing unprovoked acts of violence to innocents There's a word for those that use random violence
by ihsw 10y ago
Protesting peacefully != destroying private property and committing unprovoked acts of violence to innocents
There's a word for those that use random violence to effect change in society -- terrorists.
- pyre 10y agoNot every protester is doing that though. If you go to a peaceful protest that turns into a riot, you may be arrested even if you did not commit any acts of vandalism or violence. Basically just because you were there. Is this the world you want to live in?
- coderdude 10y agoI've watched a lot of these protests-turned-riot and you don't see innocent people on the sidelines being hauled away. You hardly see any of the violent and destructive agitators being hauled away. I don't think the scenario you're describing is realistic whatsoever.
- kalkin 10y agoYou've watched a lot of them, but you've never seen or heard of "kettling"? Odd. I have seen it and experienced it. (I'm also curious what instances of protests-turned-riot you're referring to. The US hasn't had many riots, in any meaningful sense, recently. Do you mean someone smashing a window?)
- coderdude 10y agoThere was one a couple of days ago at Berkeley where 150 or so masked people smashed windows and set things on fire in an attempt to block a conservative from speaking there. Causing $100k in damage to private property in order to curtail other's free speech isn't something that should be glossed over or minimized by calling it protesting. There's the riot at NYU where more violent agitators showed up to prevent Gavin McInnes from speaking, where he was attacked with pepper spray. On the night at Berkeley, a woman wearing a Trump hat was pepper sprayed while giving an interview for a news network. These are the facts. Call it what you want, but this is violence and destruction with the intent to silence people with an opposing point of view. It's not civil disobedience or protesting and more like terrorism. As for your other question about whether or not I've heard of kettling, I have. The fact that it exists does not convince me that innocent bystanders need to fear that. In instances where you may have seen that, such as the inauguration of the president, charges were brought against some of those individuals. Which suggests the goal wasn't to arrest bystanders. By the way, I don't know if you watched that one live or after it took place but there was a ton of chaos. People were throwing objects like glass bottles at the police in riot gear. Again, many of the people were dressed in all black with masks on. If you want a very real problem to attack, that's one to focus on.
- nl 10y agoDoes Milo Yiannopoulos really match any definition of 'a conservative'? (In an attempt to block a conservative...)
- coderdude 10y agoYes, I would say that. There are a lot of people who apply different labels to the man because of what he agrees with and disagrees with. I would imagine you already have your opinion on that. It is a small fraction of the argument I just presented and I don't think it should be the focus.
- nl 10y agoWhich part of the conservative mindset does he represent? I suppose he could be some kind of nationalist/native sentiment, but he doesn't seem to speak about that much. Hopefully you noticed that I didn't try to make my feelings on Mr Yiannopoulos obvious.
- griffinmmahon 10y ago>in order to curtail other's free speech ... by calling it protesting It's not about free speech. He incites harassment.
- coderdude 10y ago
- drinkjuice 10y ago> There's a word for those that use random violence to effect change in society -- terrorists. Except of course you wouldn't use that word for all those planning and fighting in US wars of aggression, correct? Is it just because they're not so "random" or are there other factors, too? > It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. -- Voltaire
- griffinmmahon 10y agoConsider that your notion of violence relates that word and the destruction of property, which is not living matter.
- mattnewton 10y agoThe word terrorist apparently means whoever the government disagrees with. Others are rebels, patriots and freedom fighters.
- ihsw 10y agoNo, if they're with a stated purpose then that's entirely different, but if it's just random violence for the sake of expressing your feelings then that's disgusting and uncalled for. We are all patriots, but we're not all terrorists that use random violence to effect change.
- celticninja 10y agoOne man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.