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What kind of activism are you referring to? The peaceful gatherings with signs and petitions, or the kind with assaults, battery, looting and vandalism on othe

by TenOhms 10y ago

What kind of activism are you referring to? The peaceful gatherings with signs and petitions, or the kind with assaults, battery, looting and vandalism on others for speaking their side?

devoply 10y ago
Activism is activism, sometimes it's peaceful and sometimes it gets out of hand depending on the people involved which any one activist can't control, sometime those people work for the government. When you have reporters being arrested at events, I almost certainly know it's not the reporters being violent. And to place these sorts of limits on protesting is again chilling effects.
- TenOhms 10y ago
  I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.
  - devoply 10y ago
    That's most likely because you have not been looking. https://www.google.com/search?&q=non+violent+protestors+arrested https://www.google.com/search?&q=non+violent+protestors+arre... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/12/amy-goodman-arrest-warrant-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/12/amy-goodman-...
  - yardie 10y ago
    ^^ alternative facts, folks!
    - grzm 10y ago
      Please stop with the canned dismissal memes. The poster may honestly be unaware of any such examples. Regardless, a comment such as yours doesn't add substantively to the conversation. Much better to provide evidence, as sibling comments have done.
  - danaliv 10y ago
    You've never heard of it, really? Do tell us all about the comprehensive research you've done on this matter.
  - anon2264 10y ago
    Amy Goodman at the Dakota Pipeline: an absolutely egregious example of arresting a peaceful protestor and charging her with rioting (she's a very respectable journalist)
  - justifier 10y ago
    it happens so often that san francisco has a policy of dropping all arrest charges.. in the courts, on the court date you are required to attend, unfortunately.. when said arrests occurred during protests i know from experience and talking directly with the arresting officers, and my assigned defense attorney, and the judge that dropped mine and a number of other identical charges in the room > A protester at the NC General Assembly invites her arresting officer to Christmas dinner. She was one of several arrested while protesting a power grab by Republican legislators during a surprise special session. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article121388538.html http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-p...
    - ihsw 10y ago
      Thankfully the judge's misguided naivete will be rectified, employers will receive push notifications and emails immediately when it becomes clear someone is a danger to society.
  - snsr 10y ago
    > I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests. Cops arrest and assault people engaging in peaceful, legal, constitutionally protected protest all the fucking time.
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JohnTHaller 10y ago
If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea since tone tends to be lost particularly in online political discussion.)
- leereeves 10y ago
  Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense of Looting "absolute required reading". https://twitter.com/deray/status/524704650218729473 https://twitter.com/deray/status/524704650218729473
  - JohnTHaller 10y ago
    Really had to move the goal posts from my specific example there, didn't you?
    - leereeves 10y ago
      You tried to move the goalposts where you wanted them; I moved the conversation back to the overall topic. The comment you replied to didn't mention anything about the inauguration, the Women's March, Trump, or the election.
      - JohnTHaller 10y ago
        I spoke to the specific event I personally attended (the Women's March) that has been called violent by many Trump supporters.

by TenOhms 10y ago

What kind of activism are you referring to? The peaceful gatherings with signs and petitions, or the kind with assaults, battery, looting and vandalism on others for speaking their side?

devoply 10y ago

Activism is activism, sometimes it's peaceful and sometimes it gets out of hand depending on the people involved which any one activist can't control, sometime those people work for the government. When you have reporters being arrested at events, I almost certainly know it's not the reporters being violent. And to place these sorts of limits on protesting is again chilling effects.

TenOhms 10y ago
I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.
- devoply 10y ago
  That's most likely because you have not been looking. https://www.google.com/search?&q=non+violent+protestors+arrested https://www.google.com/search?&q=non+violent+protestors+arre... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/12/amy-goodman-arrest-warrant-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/12/amy-goodman-...
- yardie 10y ago
  ^^ alternative facts, folks!
  - grzm 10y ago
    Please stop with the canned dismissal memes. The poster may honestly be unaware of any such examples. Regardless, a comment such as yours doesn't add substantively to the conversation. Much better to provide evidence, as sibling comments have done.
- danaliv 10y ago
  You've never heard of it, really? Do tell us all about the comprehensive research you've done on this matter.
- anon2264 10y ago
  Amy Goodman at the Dakota Pipeline: an absolutely egregious example of arresting a peaceful protestor and charging her with rioting (she's a very respectable journalist)
- justifier 10y ago
  it happens so often that san francisco has a policy of dropping all arrest charges.. in the courts, on the court date you are required to attend, unfortunately.. when said arrests occurred during protests i know from experience and talking directly with the arresting officers, and my assigned defense attorney, and the judge that dropped mine and a number of other identical charges in the room > A protester at the NC General Assembly invites her arresting officer to Christmas dinner. She was one of several arrested while protesting a power grab by Republican legislators during a surprise special session. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article121388538.html http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-p...
  - ihsw 10y ago
    Thankfully the judge's misguided naivete will be rectified, employers will receive push notifications and emails immediately when it becomes clear someone is a danger to society.
- snsr 10y ago
  > I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests. Cops arrest and assault people engaging in peaceful, legal, constitutionally protected protest all the fucking time.
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JohnTHaller 10y ago

If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea since tone tends to be lost particularly in online political discussion.)

leereeves 10y ago
Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense of Looting "absolute required reading". https://twitter.com/deray/status/524704650218729473 https://twitter.com/deray/status/524704650218729473
- JohnTHaller 10y ago
  Really had to move the goal posts from my specific example there, didn't you?
  - leereeves 10y ago
    You tried to move the goalposts where you wanted them; I moved the conversation back to the overall topic. The comment you replied to didn't mention anything about the inauguration, the Women's March, Trump, or the election.
    - JohnTHaller 10y ago
      I spoke to the specific event I personally attended (the Women's March) that has been called violent by many Trump supporters.