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If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.
by analogmemory 10y ago
If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.
- devoply 10y agoThe point of chilling effects is to dissuade people sitting on the fence. If you can do enough of that only very committed people go out to protest and it's easy to single they out and isolate them from society.
- dec0dedab0de 10y agoit should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.
- gcr 10y agoAbsolutely. When I go on the job market, I will absolutely bias my search toward employers that have a history of activism among the leaders of the country. (Example: Fog Creek Software with Anil Dash as CEO would be my absolute dream place to work.)
- duncan-donuts 10y agoIt's pretty sad we're talking about companies publicly stating they allow employees to protest. What business is it of the company?
- mjolk 10y agoYou're suggesting a left-wing form of McCarthyism. I don't care if my employees/reports protest as long as they do their job and don't attempt political intimidation, but I am not willing to put my company on a list to satisfy a virtue-signaling busybody.
- tomjakubowski 10y agoAre you kidding? Promoting the recognition of an employee's first amendment rights now falls under "virtue signaling" and "McCarthyism"?
- mjolk 10y agoPlease re-read the parent comment: > it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them. The part that is objectionable is the expectation that my company would need to register on a list stating that I respect the rights of my employees. Doing things within your legal rights is the _default_; I reject the act of playing into someone's political "are you with us?" game.
- dsfyu404ed 10y agoIt's sure a heck not a virtue any company in the defense sector wants to be signaling.
- legodt 10y agoFellow commentors, please be aware that "virtue signalling" is a buzzword used by the alt-right to discredit activists or socially progressive people. This tactic is meant to dissuade the socially progressive from actively taking a role in enacting change.
- mjolk 10y agoIf you're trying to accuse me of something, I'd prefer you have the decency to do it directly and unequivocally.
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- mjolk 10y agoYour solution for a problematic database is to create a problematic database?
- whateveracct 10y agoWhat's problematic about the database your parent comment proposed?
- mjolk 10y agoHow would you verify that an employee was fired for peaceful protest or that self-reporter even worked for the company? Would you demand that a company admit this was the reason or would you trust the person that created the entry for the employer? How would an employer get itself off this list? How would you avoid libel? How would you verify the identity of the person making the entry and that person is even in the "RAP BACK" database? How would you prevent verified self-reporters from being discriminated against for future employment?
- norea-armozel 10y agoOr maybe corporations shouldn't be snooping on employees when they clock out? Wild idea I know.
- mjolk 10y agoI'm not sure why you replied to my reply, but the moral "should" isn't really relevant when the database-to-protest-a-database suggestion is a non-starter due to more egregious flaws.
- branchless 10y agoThe punishment is the record not the warning. After that you are excluded from middle class jobs. Gotta hand it to these scumbags, they built a nice tight system.
- nickthemagicman 10y agoHa implying that two or three corporations don't already have majority control over market share in almost all industries.
- gumby 10y ago> If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. Don't forget you're lucky you can say such a thing. Many people are desperate for a job. All the more reason to protest of course!
- dsfyu404ed 10y agoI don't think you have a family you're providing for.
- paulddraper 10y agoAll activism, or just the activism you agree with? Mozilla forced Brendan Eich to resign for his off-hours activism. I assume they would be in the database.
- dragonwriter 10y agoMozilla forced Brendan Eich out for his failure to deal with a PR crisis facing the organization, which is absolutely one of a CEOs key jobs. The PR crisis was caused by his off-hours activism, but that's only material insofar as its focus on him made it clear that removing him would likely be an effective way to deal with it, and he hadn't found any other.
- paulddraper 10y agoBy firing arrested teachers, schools likewise avoid PR crises. And so on.
- BrendanEich 10y agoMozilla says I was not forced out. Also, they had a PR crisis after I left, and a backlash boycott (neither front- nor backlash had measurable effect on Firefox market share). Asserting your speculations based on outgroup antipathy as facts is a working definition of bigotry. Also a kind of lying in my book. Ta!