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I learned to give up making things exactly to my liking and learn to use the default key bindings. Now I can log into any machine and be 100% productive.

by bostand 10y ago

jfoutz 10y ago
Yeah, this is a good approach. I have memorized how to set up three settings for vim I just have to have, but I can usually do that in less than a minute.
- anjanb 10y ago
  what are those 3 settings on vim ? I assume line numbers is one of them, which are the other 2 ?
  - jfoutz 10y ago
    shiftwidth, tabstop and expandtab
  - tasuki 10y ago
    For many people, line numbers are the first thing they set up - I never understood that. I customize vim quite heavily, and have tried showing line numbers, but all they do is take up 4-5 characters of precious window width! I can see the current line in bottom right, and when I want to go to a line, I use `45gg`. TL;DR people are different.
    - psquid 10y ago
      I've never really gotten into absolute line numbers, but relative ones are a godsend for me since I use <num>j, <num>d, et al a lot but can't really eyeball how many lines away something is once it gets to be more than 2 or 3.
gnuvince 10y ago
I consider myself a power Emacs user, I have a sizeable Emacs configuration, but when I connect to servers, I just use vi. Simpler, faster, less fuss.
- bostand 10y ago
  Try mg :) Edit: mg is an emacs-like editor that is even leaner than vi, has off course the same key bindings as emacs, and also shares the same openbsd roots as tmux. It is also the default editor in openbsd.
- deleted 10y ago
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- klibertp 10y ago
  Exactly. There's such a great difference between Emacs with half a million of lines of Elisp loaded and a vanilla version that it's easier for me to just use Vim (it's everywhere anyway, but I can work with Vi too). Using vanilla Emacs is like writing a GUI application with nothing but the primitive X (or GDI) operations. The potential is there and is visible, and it's sometimes the right thing to do, but normally you'd use GTK or QT, right? Same is true with Emacs: in its vanilla form, it's just an API for text editing with a bunch of outdated defaults. It's superb as a platform for writing text-editing related (and sometimes others) applications in Elisp. I think that Emacs is not supposed to be used in that state at all, even. Vim, on the other hand, is pretty much designed around one UI & text-editing philosophy, which makes it less extensible, but much more usable out of the box.

I learned to give up making things exactly to my liking and learn to use the default key bindings. Now I can log into any machine and be 100% productive.

by bostand 10y ago

I learned to give up making things exactly to my liking and learn to use the default key bindings. Now I can log into any machine and be 100% productive.

jfoutz 10y ago

Yeah, this is a good approach. I have memorized how to set up three settings for vim I just have to have, but I can usually do that in less than a minute.

anjanb 10y ago
what are those 3 settings on vim ? I assume line numbers is one of them, which are the other 2 ?
- jfoutz 10y ago
  shiftwidth, tabstop and expandtab
- tasuki 10y ago
  For many people, line numbers are the first thing they set up - I never understood that. I customize vim quite heavily, and have tried showing line numbers, but all they do is take up 4-5 characters of precious window width! I can see the current line in bottom right, and when I want to go to a line, I use `45gg`. TL;DR people are different.
  - psquid 10y ago
    I've never really gotten into absolute line numbers, but relative ones are a godsend for me since I use <num>j, <num>d, et al a lot but can't really eyeball how many lines away something is once it gets to be more than 2 or 3.

gnuvince 10y ago

I consider myself a power Emacs user, I have a sizeable Emacs configuration, but when I connect to servers, I just use vi. Simpler, faster, less fuss.

bostand 10y ago
Try mg :) Edit: mg is an emacs-like editor that is even leaner than vi, has off course the same key bindings as emacs, and also shares the same openbsd roots as tmux. It is also the default editor in openbsd.
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klibertp 10y ago
Exactly. There's such a great difference between Emacs with half a million of lines of Elisp loaded and a vanilla version that it's easier for me to just use Vim (it's everywhere anyway, but I can work with Vi too). Using vanilla Emacs is like writing a GUI application with nothing but the primitive X (or GDI) operations. The potential is there and is visible, and it's sometimes the right thing to do, but normally you'd use GTK or QT, right? Same is true with Emacs: in its vanilla form, it's just an API for text editing with a bunch of outdated defaults. It's superb as a platform for writing text-editing related (and sometimes others) applications in Elisp. I think that Emacs is not supposed to be used in that state at all, even. Vim, on the other hand, is pretty much designed around one UI & text-editing philosophy, which makes it less extensible, but much more usable out of the box.