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Yeah, I learned screen defaults, so ^A is far too strong of a habit to change.

by mmagin 10y ago

rocqua 10y ago
I never used screen and still did the rebind simply for the easy 1-handed operation. I ignored the prefix change because I've actually hear some people prefer the default ^B. I know of no-one who prefers % and " for pane splits.
jabl 10y ago
I use screen, and in my book the choice of ^A for the default escape is a giant WTF, and remapping that is the first thing I do on a new account before starting to use screen (I use ^o, for no particular reason I suppose except it's not used by anything else I use). Don't the screen developers ever need to go to the beginning of a line in the shell or editor?
- geofft 10y ago
  At this point it's muscle memory for me to use C-a a to get to the beginning of a line, to the point that when I'm not in screen there will be extra "a"s at the beginning of my commands. As for editors, I use vim. (With almost no customization, as others have advocated.)
- mivade 10y ago
  > Don't the screen developers ever need to go to the beginning of a line in the shell or editor? C-a a. Using emacs with screen for many years, this is almost automatic for me.
  - gnuvince 10y ago
    When not using tmux/screen, the complete invocation is C-a a M-x roll-eyes RET Backspace.
    - klibertp 10y ago
      This is really easy to remedy: just bind send-prefix to C-a C-a. That way you'll be able to easily go to line beginning inside tmux, and outside you won't type the unnecessary 'a' character. Moreover, I forgot if it's the default or if I set it somehow, but in Emacs a single C-a goes back to the beginning of a line, but C-a C-a goes back to the beginning of text on the line, which is almost always what I want anyway. So I press C-a twice anyway, everywhere, and I don't have the problem you described at all :)
  - jiltedfrog 10y ago
    content of dot screenrc file: defbce on defutf8 on escape ^]^] markkeys "h=^B:l=^F:$=^E" setenv LANG en_US.UTF-8 startup_message off term $TERM Copy pasted from somewhere, i do not recall from where. ctrl-A is now ctrl-] This does not clashes with Emacs, ctrl-A
- bpchaps 10y ago
  Well, I think a lot of it is because not everyone has historically had emacs mode defaulted in their shell. Lots of people who learned to use the shell in ksh (myself included) probably share similar feelings towards the emacs bindings. With that in mind, ctrl-a makes a lot of sense when you're not in emacs mode. `set -o vi` is a wonderful command ;).
- xenophonf 10y ago
  A friend suggested remapping the Screen command key to ` (backquote), and it changed my life. Maybe it's because I grew up using Esc key combos a lot (terminals with broken/missing meta keys), but it feels natural to treat it like another modifier key there on the left edge of the keyboard.
  - wtbob 10y ago
    I did that as well, and it was Great and Good and obviously the Right Thing — right up until I pasted in a some shell code which used `` instead of $(). Never again. These days I use C-z for tmux. It works, and C-z z is easy enough to type when I want to put something in the background.
    - xenophonf 10y ago
      I'm a committed (interpret that as you like) tcsh user, so yeah, that keybinding gets in the way. On the flip side, it's gotten me out of the habit of blindly copying/pasting shell code, which is a security win, right? ;)
      - sevensor 10y ago
        I'm going to interpret that as "committed to an institution" :) Tcsh makes my brain hurt.
    - rryan 10y ago
      I just switched from C-z to C-q and couldn't be happier. C-z was fine, but I realized it was a really unergonomic stretch. With caps lock as ctrl, C-q is only a slight movement of my ring finger.
sevensor 10y ago
That, and switching to the vi-like keybindings for copy mode, are the only two things I change. And even so, I can and do use an unconfigured tmux with only minor irritation. Configuration just looks like an elaborate way to make sure you're unable to use other people's systems.

Yeah, I learned screen defaults, so ^A is far too strong of a habit to change.

by mmagin 10y ago

Yeah, I learned screen defaults, so ^A is far too strong of a habit to change.

I never used screen and still did the rebind simply for the easy 1-handed operation. I ignored the prefix change because I've actually hear some people prefer the default ^B. I know of no-one who prefers % and " for pane splits.

jabl 10y ago

I use screen, and in my book the choice of ^A for the default escape is a giant WTF, and remapping that is the first thing I do on a new account before starting to use screen (I use ^o, for no particular reason I suppose except it's not used by anything else I use). Don't the screen developers ever need to go to the beginning of a line in the shell or editor?

geofft 10y ago
At this point it's muscle memory for me to use C-a a to get to the beginning of a line, to the point that when I'm not in screen there will be extra "a"s at the beginning of my commands. As for editors, I use vim. (With almost no customization, as others have advocated.)
mivade 10y ago
> Don't the screen developers ever need to go to the beginning of a line in the shell or editor? C-a a. Using emacs with screen for many years, this is almost automatic for me.
- gnuvince 10y ago
  When not using tmux/screen, the complete invocation is C-a a M-x roll-eyes RET Backspace.
  - klibertp 10y ago
    This is really easy to remedy: just bind send-prefix to C-a C-a. That way you'll be able to easily go to line beginning inside tmux, and outside you won't type the unnecessary 'a' character. Moreover, I forgot if it's the default or if I set it somehow, but in Emacs a single C-a goes back to the beginning of a line, but C-a C-a goes back to the beginning of text on the line, which is almost always what I want anyway. So I press C-a twice anyway, everywhere, and I don't have the problem you described at all :)
- jiltedfrog 10y ago
  content of dot screenrc file: defbce on defutf8 on escape ^]^] markkeys "h=^B:l=^F:$=^E" setenv LANG en_US.UTF-8 startup_message off term $TERM Copy pasted from somewhere, i do not recall from where. ctrl-A is now ctrl-] This does not clashes with Emacs, ctrl-A
bpchaps 10y ago
Well, I think a lot of it is because not everyone has historically had emacs mode defaulted in their shell. Lots of people who learned to use the shell in ksh (myself included) probably share similar feelings towards the emacs bindings. With that in mind, ctrl-a makes a lot of sense when you're not in emacs mode. `set -o vi` is a wonderful command ;).
xenophonf 10y ago
A friend suggested remapping the Screen command key to ` (backquote), and it changed my life. Maybe it's because I grew up using Esc key combos a lot (terminals with broken/missing meta keys), but it feels natural to treat it like another modifier key there on the left edge of the keyboard.
- wtbob 10y ago
  I did that as well, and it was Great and Good and obviously the Right Thing — right up until I pasted in a some shell code which used `` instead of $(). Never again. These days I use C-z for tmux. It works, and C-z z is easy enough to type when I want to put something in the background.
  - xenophonf 10y ago
    I'm a committed (interpret that as you like) tcsh user, so yeah, that keybinding gets in the way. On the flip side, it's gotten me out of the habit of blindly copying/pasting shell code, which is a security win, right? ;)
    - sevensor 10y ago
      I'm going to interpret that as "committed to an institution" :) Tcsh makes my brain hurt.
  - rryan 10y ago
    I just switched from C-z to C-q and couldn't be happier. C-z was fine, but I realized it was a really unergonomic stretch. With caps lock as ctrl, C-q is only a slight movement of my ring finger.

sevensor 10y ago

That, and switching to the vi-like keybindings for copy mode, are the only two things I change. And even so, I can and do use an unconfigured tmux with only minor irritation. Configuration just looks like an elaborate way to make sure you're unable to use other people's systems.