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It's more likely the channel was brigaded by r/The_Donald supporters or 4chan than YouTube actually doing anything. Their systems are so automated, stuff like t

by awalton 10y ago

It's more likely the channel was brigaded by r/The_Donald supporters or 4chan than YouTube actually doing anything. Their systems are so automated, stuff like this happens all of the time - the users wield an unseemly huge amount of power to knock content offline. So, lessons learned: 1) Keep backups of everything you'd upload to YouTube. 2) Vimeo.com account 3) Petition YouTube to revamp their content policing strategies to keep humans in the loop instead of algorithms knocking content offline because a mob with pitchforks decides they don't agree with you.

hackermailman 10y ago
More likely it was rival climate channels that want their subscribers so are just going through the vids, finding something that looks copyright and spamming google with the license in hopes the channel is taken down. If you have any kind of popular channel you will experience this as there's money to be made by somebody else gaining all your views.
wybiral 10y ago
Is anyone else wondering why they're selling domains like SpaceAlpha.com [1] or their own domain ClimateState.com [2]? And that they're using clickbait titles like "YouTube/Google shuts down largest climate science channel" to say that their channel was shut down? Doesn't it look a bit fishy? [1] http://climatestate.com/product/domain-spacealpha-com/ http://climatestate.com/product/domain-spacealpha-com/ [2] http://climatestate.com/product/domain-climatestate-com/ http://climatestate.com/product/domain-climatestate-com/ Edit: auto-correct typo
- morsch 10y ago
  That is weird, though climatestate.com is "out of stock" (and it's $100k). Also fishy: they have another very large YouTube channel[1], which is still up and running. Seems like it would have been worth mentioning? It's referenced in their shop page for site sponsorship[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/user/ClimateProgressWorld https://www.youtube.com/user/ClimateProgressWorld [2] http://climatestate.com/product/climate-hawk/ http://climatestate.com/product/climate-hawk/
- throwaway729 10y ago
  That is weird. On the other hand, if a relatively small charity could get an offer of ~ $100,000 for their domain name, I guess it could be considered prudent to go ahead with selling the domain and relocating? That could pay for a lot of... somethings. Similar to how charities sometimes sell off land to interested developers and relocate, since their location isn't that important and the money can help their core mission.
  - wybiral 10y ago
    They don't say anything about being a non-profit. And it's not clear what they actually do aside from selling domains, memberships, and making a YouTube playlist. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for awareness of climate change and science in general. But not everybody is in it to support that cause.
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morganvachon 10y ago
> 2) Vimeo.com account When I stopped using all things Google[1], I switched to Vimeo for any potential videos I might make. So far what I've seen is a more mature, professional, and technologically superior platform for video producers. Gone are the hordes of single-digit-IQ trolls and hate speech spewing masses, replaced with thoughtful commentary. Making money with your original content is straightforward and doesn't feel scummy like on YouTube. The only thing I miss is the wide range of "how to" videos on YouTube; for all of its flaws, the service is a never ending fountain of hands-on knowledge. [1] In the interest of full disclosure, I have yet to find a suitable replacement for the Nvidia Shield TV. There is simply nothing else on the market that comes close to it for our uses. I'll probably eventually replace it with a Roku 4 or similar device, but I'll keep the Shield and try to port Linux to it.
- WillyOnWheels 10y ago
  > Gone are the hordes of single-digit-IQ trolls and hate speech spewing masses, replaced with thoughtful commentary Perhaps this is because Vimeo's reach is incredibly small when compared to Youtube.
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staz 10y ago
Youtube-dl [1] is a great tool to backup videos from Youtube. (And just a pip install away) [1] https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
- emidln 10y ago
  Also, despite the name, it works for a wide range of online video sources. youtube-dl is an amazing project.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  On Android: Install Termux and you can install youtube-dl via pip. Bonus tip: install the Termux API app, and termux-tools package, and get clipboard access (along with other Android features).
  - icebraining 10y ago
    On Android I use Youtube Downloader, which has the necessary Intents stuff to let you just open an YT link with it. Shame it went closed source, though. Is there some terminal app that lets you create new Intents to run commands? Should be simple to tie the action "Open link to youtube.com/" to running "youtube-dl $link".
    - dredmorbius 10y ago
      On terminal apps / intents: not that I'm aware, though that would be a great question to put to the Termux folk. There _are_ dialog prompts and such.
    - gman99 10y ago
      Here's [1] an open source app that lets you share a link from youtube which then uses a hosted version of youtube-dl to get the direct link to the mp4 url and pass it back to the Android Download app [1] https://github.com/zeronickname/VideoDownloader https://github.com/zeronickname/VideoDownloader
- lern_too_spel 10y ago
throwaway420 10y ago
a) For what it's worth, the The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade and the moderators do a lot of work to ensure that they're complying with Reddit rules. b) Having backups and an alternate hosting service is always very good advice, especially for Google's services where they use algorithms to shut down and ban people all of the time. c) It's not in Google or YouTube's DNA to provide actual decent human customer service. They don't even provide that for actual paying customers, let alone their free services! Sadly, I think YouTube laughs at your petition idea.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  re: a) prove it. even if the moderators try to enforce that, their tools are limited to actions the users do on reddit. brigading to a different website seems totally beyond the control of reddit mods.
- popey456963 10y ago
  > The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade Let me point you in the direction of this quote: > The admins accused the_donald users of “brigading” or mass downvoting comments by r/politics moderators explaining why the posts were deleted and sending them threatening personal messages. Oh, look at this other post trying to stop The_Donald from brigading so much > Reddit announced this week that it would tweak the algorithm on r/all, a feed of popular posts across all the site’s subreddits, to stop certain communities from promoting large numbers of their own posts into the top of that feed. > “I cannot deny their [The_Donald] behavior hastened its deployment,” In response to The_Donald brigading several posts about Trump to the front page in a very short amount of time.
- mintplant 10y ago
  > For what it's worth, the The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade and the moderators do a lot of work to ensure that they're complying with Reddit rules. r/The_Donald brigaded my university's subreddit en masse from a post the moderators there stickied to the top of the sub.
  - adnzzzzZ 10y ago
Pica_soO 10y ago
How do you imagine this "humans-in-the-loop" policy? Do i get jury-duty emails by google?
- awalton 10y ago
  Why are you asking me as if it's my problem to solve? If you're trying to imply that Google can't do any better than robots taking things offline, then you're going to have to try harder - back in my day we had human moderators on internet forum boards and they did a damned fine job. Google's done it the way they have because it's cheap compared to paying a bunch of moderators, and mostly because they really don't give a damn as long as YouTube still generates ad revenue for them at the end of the day.
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    So how to incentivize? Make a morally outrageous ad-blocker?
- cxseven 10y ago
  I think YouTube is already trying to do this with their "YouTube Heroes" program, which seems to be about trusting vetted volunteers more than random users.
revanx_ 10y ago
So quick to point fingers at /r/The_Donald. I lurk there and they are just ppl who support Trump and like to meme about it. They certainly aren't the nazis or the kkk or whatever the progressive left in America has decided to call em today, and as far as I know they don't deny climate change either.
- misingnoglic 10y ago
  Reporting climate science videos sounds like memeing to me...
  - revanx_ 10y ago
    I think that's just called being an asshole
127 10y ago
>brigaded by r/The_Donald supporters or 4chan Proof, please.
- eveningcoffee 10y ago
  If somebody says "It's more likely..." then this person is expressing an opinion and not a fact. I find that such opinions are valuable in addition to other opinions as far as they remain plausible in cases where all we have are other opinions.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    One opinion is on top of the comment thread, while the other got downvoted.
    - pasquinelli 10y ago
      opinion opinions. and i suppose you've got an opinion about that. an opinion opinion opinion.
  - 127 10y ago
    I don't see how targeting groups and political entities with completely unverified FUD is valuable.
Merovius 10y ago
Have you looked at vimeos business model? It is the opposite of youtube. On the latter, you get paid for uploading videos, on the former you pay for uploading them. And you pay quite heftily and even their most expensive option, from what I can tell, can't sustain even a moderately large youtube channel.

by awalton 10y ago

hackermailman 10y ago

More likely it was rival climate channels that want their subscribers so are just going through the vids, finding something that looks copyright and spamming google with the license in hopes the channel is taken down. If you have any kind of popular channel you will experience this as there's money to be made by somebody else gaining all your views.

wybiral 10y ago

Is anyone else wondering why they're selling domains like SpaceAlpha.com [1] or their own domain ClimateState.com [2]? And that they're using clickbait titles like "YouTube/Google shuts down largest climate science channel" to say that their channel was shut down? Doesn't it look a bit fishy? [1] http://climatestate.com/product/domain-spacealpha-com/ http://climatestate.com/product/domain-spacealpha-com/ [2] http://climatestate.com/product/domain-climatestate-com/ http://climatestate.com/product/domain-climatestate-com/ Edit: auto-correct typo

morsch 10y ago
That is weird, though climatestate.com is "out of stock" (and it's $100k). Also fishy: they have another very large YouTube channel[1], which is still up and running. Seems like it would have been worth mentioning? It's referenced in their shop page for site sponsorship[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/user/ClimateProgressWorld https://www.youtube.com/user/ClimateProgressWorld [2] http://climatestate.com/product/climate-hawk/ http://climatestate.com/product/climate-hawk/
throwaway729 10y ago
That is weird. On the other hand, if a relatively small charity could get an offer of ~ $100,000 for their domain name, I guess it could be considered prudent to go ahead with selling the domain and relocating? That could pay for a lot of... somethings. Similar to how charities sometimes sell off land to interested developers and relocate, since their location isn't that important and the money can help their core mission.
- wybiral 10y ago
  They don't say anything about being a non-profit. And it's not clear what they actually do aside from selling domains, memberships, and making a YouTube playlist. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for awareness of climate change and science in general. But not everybody is in it to support that cause.
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morganvachon 10y ago

> 2) Vimeo.com account When I stopped using all things Google[1], I switched to Vimeo for any potential videos I might make. So far what I've seen is a more mature, professional, and technologically superior platform for video producers. Gone are the hordes of single-digit-IQ trolls and hate speech spewing masses, replaced with thoughtful commentary. Making money with your original content is straightforward and doesn't feel scummy like on YouTube. The only thing I miss is the wide range of "how to" videos on YouTube; for all of its flaws, the service is a never ending fountain of hands-on knowledge. [1] In the interest of full disclosure, I have yet to find a suitable replacement for the Nvidia Shield TV. There is simply nothing else on the market that comes close to it for our uses. I'll probably eventually replace it with a Roku 4 or similar device, but I'll keep the Shield and try to port Linux to it.

WillyOnWheels 10y ago
> Gone are the hordes of single-digit-IQ trolls and hate speech spewing masses, replaced with thoughtful commentary Perhaps this is because Vimeo's reach is incredibly small when compared to Youtube.
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staz 10y ago

Youtube-dl [1] is a great tool to backup videos from Youtube. (And just a pip install away) [1] https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

emidln 10y ago
Also, despite the name, it works for a wide range of online video sources. youtube-dl is an amazing project.
dredmorbius 10y ago
On Android: Install Termux and you can install youtube-dl via pip. Bonus tip: install the Termux API app, and termux-tools package, and get clipboard access (along with other Android features).
- icebraining 10y ago
  On Android I use Youtube Downloader, which has the necessary Intents stuff to let you just open an YT link with it. Shame it went closed source, though. Is there some terminal app that lets you create new Intents to run commands? Should be simple to tie the action "Open link to youtube.com/" to running "youtube-dl $link".
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    On terminal apps / intents: not that I'm aware, though that would be a great question to put to the Termux folk. There _are_ dialog prompts and such.
  - gman99 10y ago
    Here's [1] an open source app that lets you share a link from youtube which then uses a hosted version of youtube-dl to get the direct link to the mp4 url and pass it back to the Android Download app [1] https://github.com/zeronickname/VideoDownloader https://github.com/zeronickname/VideoDownloader
lern_too_spel 10y ago

throwaway420 10y ago

a) For what it's worth, the The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade and the moderators do a lot of work to ensure that they're complying with Reddit rules. b) Having backups and an alternate hosting service is always very good advice, especially for Google's services where they use algorithms to shut down and ban people all of the time. c) It's not in Google or YouTube's DNA to provide actual decent human customer service. They don't even provide that for actual paying customers, let alone their free services! Sadly, I think YouTube laughs at your petition idea.

metaphorm 10y ago
re: a) prove it. even if the moderators try to enforce that, their tools are limited to actions the users do on reddit. brigading to a different website seems totally beyond the control of reddit mods.
popey456963 10y ago
> The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade Let me point you in the direction of this quote: > The admins accused the_donald users of “brigading” or mass downvoting comments by r/politics moderators explaining why the posts were deleted and sending them threatening personal messages. Oh, look at this other post trying to stop The_Donald from brigading so much > Reddit announced this week that it would tweak the algorithm on r/all, a feed of popular posts across all the site’s subreddits, to stop certain communities from promoting large numbers of their own posts into the top of that feed. > “I cannot deny their [The_Donald] behavior hastened its deployment,” In response to The_Donald brigading several posts about Trump to the front page in a very short amount of time.
mintplant 10y ago
> For what it's worth, the The_Donald subreddit doesn't brigade and the moderators do a lot of work to ensure that they're complying with Reddit rules. r/The_Donald brigaded my university's subreddit en masse from a post the moderators there stickied to the top of the sub.
- adnzzzzZ 10y ago

Pica_soO 10y ago

How do you imagine this "humans-in-the-loop" policy? Do i get jury-duty emails by google?

awalton 10y ago
Why are you asking me as if it's my problem to solve? If you're trying to imply that Google can't do any better than robots taking things offline, then you're going to have to try harder - back in my day we had human moderators on internet forum boards and they did a damned fine job. Google's done it the way they have because it's cheap compared to paying a bunch of moderators, and mostly because they really don't give a damn as long as YouTube still generates ad revenue for them at the end of the day.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  So how to incentivize? Make a morally outrageous ad-blocker?
cxseven 10y ago
I think YouTube is already trying to do this with their "YouTube Heroes" program, which seems to be about trusting vetted volunteers more than random users.

revanx_ 10y ago

So quick to point fingers at /r/The_Donald. I lurk there and they are just ppl who support Trump and like to meme about it. They certainly aren't the nazis or the kkk or whatever the progressive left in America has decided to call em today, and as far as I know they don't deny climate change either.

misingnoglic 10y ago
Reporting climate science videos sounds like memeing to me...
- revanx_ 10y ago
  I think that's just called being an asshole

127 10y ago

>brigaded by r/The_Donald supporters or 4chan Proof, please.

eveningcoffee 10y ago
If somebody says "It's more likely..." then this person is expressing an opinion and not a fact. I find that such opinions are valuable in addition to other opinions as far as they remain plausible in cases where all we have are other opinions.
- tdkl 10y ago
  One opinion is on top of the comment thread, while the other got downvoted.
  - pasquinelli 10y ago
    opinion opinions. and i suppose you've got an opinion about that. an opinion opinion opinion.
- 127 10y ago
  I don't see how targeting groups and political entities with completely unverified FUD is valuable.

Merovius 10y ago

Have you looked at vimeos business model? It is the opposite of youtube. On the latter, you get paid for uploading videos, on the former you pay for uploading them. And you pay quite heftily and even their most expensive option, from what I can tell, can't sustain even a moderately large youtube channel.