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Okay, USA, I guess you're going to be losing a lot of business to countries with less crazy governments now. I wish I could say the UK will benefit, but I doubt

Okay, USA, I guess you're going to be losing a lot of business to countries with less crazy governments now. I wish I could say the UK will benefit, but I doubt it.

throwaway729 10y ago
I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the US government is demanding the removal of climate science videos from YouTube, and even more difficult to believe that YouTube would acquiesce to such a request. I'm sure we'll learn of a far more mundane explanation in short order. My money is on some automated process mistakenly removing content (possibly triggered by trolls, but just as likely triggered by a sub-par algorithm).
- tehwalrus 10y ago
  I hope you are right, I really do.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  It's not really a mistake. It's the design of those automated systems. There is little to no human control in taking down material that people complain about. There have been activists - e.g. Muslim immigrants who work against Islamism - who are targeted by complaints from hard-line Islamists and whose accounts have been suspended. So this is nothing to do with Trump administration.
arjie 10y ago
The USA could mess up how it treats the Internet a few hundred times and not get to how the UK is. The UK censors a huge number of websites on the basis of content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Uni... > Categories blocked across the major ISPs include: Dating, Drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco, File sharing, Gambling, Games, Pornography, Nudity, Social networking, Suicide and Self-harm, Weapons and violence, Obscenity, Criminal Skills, Hate, Media Streaming, Fashion and Beauty, Gore, Cyberbullying, Hacking and Web-blocking circumvention tools It's apparently what the British want, so that's what they're going to get, but the idea that US censorship will lead to British prosperity is ludicrous.
- tehwalrus 10y ago
  I did say I doubt it, if you actually read my post. Also, I'll just point out that British censorship systems don't stop the content from being hosted (except where it is illegal, where I wouldn't call that censorship,) it is censored at the ISP level. So, foreign companies could reasonably host stuff in the UK more safely on that basis. (Unfortunately the recent ban on hosting end-to-end encryption services here wipes out my argument, but that's an orthogonal to the specific case of censorship.)
  - arjie 10y ago
    I did read it. I was upgrading your mild expression of disbelief to downright incredulity.

Okay, USA, I guess you're going to be losing a lot of business to countries with less crazy governments now. I wish I could say the UK will benefit, but I doubt it.

throwaway729 10y ago

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the US government is demanding the removal of climate science videos from YouTube, and even more difficult to believe that YouTube would acquiesce to such a request. I'm sure we'll learn of a far more mundane explanation in short order. My money is on some automated process mistakenly removing content (possibly triggered by trolls, but just as likely triggered by a sub-par algorithm).

tehwalrus 10y ago
I hope you are right, I really do.
ptaipale 10y ago
It's not really a mistake. It's the design of those automated systems. There is little to no human control in taking down material that people complain about. There have been activists - e.g. Muslim immigrants who work against Islamism - who are targeted by complaints from hard-line Islamists and whose accounts have been suspended. So this is nothing to do with Trump administration.

arjie 10y ago

The USA could mess up how it treats the Internet a few hundred times and not get to how the UK is. The UK censors a huge number of websites on the basis of content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Uni... > Categories blocked across the major ISPs include: Dating, Drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco, File sharing, Gambling, Games, Pornography, Nudity, Social networking, Suicide and Self-harm, Weapons and violence, Obscenity, Criminal Skills, Hate, Media Streaming, Fashion and Beauty, Gore, Cyberbullying, Hacking and Web-blocking circumvention tools It's apparently what the British want, so that's what they're going to get, but the idea that US censorship will lead to British prosperity is ludicrous.

tehwalrus 10y ago
I did say I doubt it, if you actually read my post. Also, I'll just point out that British censorship systems don't stop the content from being hosted (except where it is illegal, where I wouldn't call that censorship,) it is censored at the ISP level. So, foreign companies could reasonably host stuff in the UK more safely on that basis. (Unfortunately the recent ban on hosting end-to-end encryption services here wipes out my argument, but that's an orthogonal to the specific case of censorship.)
- arjie 10y ago
  I did read it. I was upgrading your mild expression of disbelief to downright incredulity.