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It leaves a bit the impression of Amos being a rather unpleasant power-hungry person, letting no one beside him come up. Was he known for being supporive to his

It leaves a bit the impression of Amos being a rather unpleasant power-hungry person, letting no one beside him come up. Was he known for being supporive to his students even when they challenged him?

mcguire 10y ago
I don't know about that, or about the conflict between Amos and Danny, but "Amos wrote an article, addressed directly to economists, to repair technical flaws in prospect theory. "Advances in Prospect Theory," it was called, and though Amos did much of the work on it with his graduate student Rich Gonzalez, it ran as a journal article by Danny and Amos. "Amos said that it had always been Kahneman and Tversky, and that this had to be Kahneman and Tversky, and that it would be really strange to add a third person to it," said Gonzalez." ...would piss the crap out of me, if I were the student. Edit: Reading more about them,my perception is that Amos was like the "rock star" programmer who can do great things, but who is impossible to work with.
- joericky233223 10y ago
  The rockstar programmers I am aware of are the nicest people for collaboration (Guido van rossum, Jeff dean, John carmack. Propably computer scientists are the one you are thinking of.
- zevets 10y ago
  Academia brings out the worst in people. It is a culture where the primary reward is ego, and this article is a testament to its noxious power. Amos not crediting his student is unforgivable.
  - abrax3141 10y ago
    Um. Can you say "Self refuting flame?!"
    - zasz 10y ago
      No, because he's rebuking Tversky and not talking himself up at all.
ArkyBeagle 10y ago
All I can say is what I have heard from Micheal Lewis via various media - writings, interviews, forum discussion via video - and that is almost certainly untrue. The best way I can describe it is that Amos was very devoted to a process. The way Lewis tells the story, what haunted Danny was the very thing that Amos and Danny both worked on - self-doubt because of perception. It seems at least that Lewis has as a goal making Amos out to be kind, but rigorous. Daniel simply suffered deeply crippling self-doubt. He did not want to release "Thinking.." because he was convinced it would destroy his reputation. My primary source is here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?419485-1/michael-lewis-discusses-undoing-project https://www.c-span.org/video/?419485-1/michael-lewis-discuss...

mcguire 10y ago

I don't know about that, or about the conflict between Amos and Danny, but "Amos wrote an article, addressed directly to economists, to repair technical flaws in prospect theory. "Advances in Prospect Theory," it was called, and though Amos did much of the work on it with his graduate student Rich Gonzalez, it ran as a journal article by Danny and Amos. "Amos said that it had always been Kahneman and Tversky, and that this had to be Kahneman and Tversky, and that it would be really strange to add a third person to it," said Gonzalez." ...would piss the crap out of me, if I were the student. Edit: Reading more about them,my perception is that Amos was like the "rock star" programmer who can do great things, but who is impossible to work with.

joericky233223 10y ago
The rockstar programmers I am aware of are the nicest people for collaboration (Guido van rossum, Jeff dean, John carmack. Propably computer scientists are the one you are thinking of.
zevets 10y ago
Academia brings out the worst in people. It is a culture where the primary reward is ego, and this article is a testament to its noxious power. Amos not crediting his student is unforgivable.
- abrax3141 10y ago
  Um. Can you say "Self refuting flame?!"
  - zasz 10y ago
    No, because he's rebuking Tversky and not talking himself up at all.

ArkyBeagle 10y ago

All I can say is what I have heard from Micheal Lewis via various media - writings, interviews, forum discussion via video - and that is almost certainly untrue. The best way I can describe it is that Amos was very devoted to a process. The way Lewis tells the story, what haunted Danny was the very thing that Amos and Danny both worked on - self-doubt because of perception. It seems at least that Lewis has as a goal making Amos out to be kind, but rigorous. Daniel simply suffered deeply crippling self-doubt. He did not want to release "Thinking.." because he was convinced it would destroy his reputation. My primary source is here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?419485-1/michael-lewis-discusses-undoing-project https://www.c-span.org/video/?419485-1/michael-lewis-discuss...