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Over 100,000 Visas Have Been Revoked by Immigration Ban, Justice Dept. Reveals

46 points by beedogs 10y ago

explainthisth 10y ago
I'm really curious how this revocation of visas works in combination with the 90-day limit on the executive order. If the executive order is not extended, can they be un-revoked?
origami777 10y ago
I dislike Trump. But more than seeing him lose, I want to see justice prevail. If it's within his power to do this, so be it. But if it isn't, I hope this binds the rest of us together to deliver a significant defeat to him. It's great to see our justice system work together to challenge this order.
- nemtaro 10y ago
  Have you been asleep this past week? The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order. Who do you think is supposed to enforce the ruling of the courts?
  - denzil_correa 10y ago
    > The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order The courts have partially stopped this EO. > The judge’s ruling blocked part of the president’s actions, preventing the government from deporting some arrivals who found themselves ensnared by the presidential order. But it stopped short of letting them into the country or issuing a broader ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s actions. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u...
  - RealGeek 10y ago
    Federal Government is defying court orders.
    - bobwaycott 10y ago
      Executive branch defying the judicial is probably a bit more accurate. They're both the federal government.
  - origami777 10y ago
    Actually kind of! Been traveling a lot this last week and working odd hours. But what's probably a bigger factor is that I don't know how these things work. You make it sound simple, which confuses me because the issue isn't resolved yet. And I don't know the answer to your question.
- gremlinsinc 10y ago
  Would be funny if his first major act as president was the one that got him impeached...but then we'd have to deal w/ Pence...I'd rather grab popcorn and watch it all burn to the ground than have Bush era republicans...at least this is funner to watch.
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    As someone who has to live with the consequences, I'd rather not watch it all burn to the ground, thanks. If the choice is Pence or Trump, well, I know little about Pence. But I know enough about Trump that I'd take Pence...
denzil_correa 10y ago
I simply can not understand how there can be a confusion on such a number. Can not one simply document this? The US does this as well. For example, "Stop-and-frisk" in NYC requires that when police officers make stops - they fill out the form explaining the situation and details of the stop [0]. The next step would be to analayze the nature of this stops and I won't find it surprising if there was/is racial profiling. Even the Stop-And-Frisk NYC policy discriminated against persons of Hispanics and African descent [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City#Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit... [1] http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/016214506000001040 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/01621450600000104...
- TheCoelacanth 10y ago
  Considering that they are violating a court order in continuing to enforce parts of the order, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are also neglecting to fill out the proper paperwork.
superdug 10y ago
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
- a2tech 10y ago
  I think they ran out room and couldn't put the last bit on - 'to hastily blow out the wick and nervously shut and bolt the door'
  - hdivider 10y ago
    Brilliant. :)
- jimmyk 10y ago
  Some random poet's words got put on a statue, so we're now forever bound to obey them?
  - locopati 10y ago
    They are not rules to obey - they are noble aspirations to welcome and help others.
  - EliRivers 10y ago
    People do say something similar about the constitution.
    - jimmyk 10y ago
      When the constitution doesn't quite suit us, we amend it. When we want heavier restrictions on immigration than some poem recommends, we elect Donald Trump.
      - EliRivers 10y ago
        Although of course more people voted for the other candidate, which we could take to indicate that more people didn't want (in as much as what people want is linked to their choice of candidate) these new heavier restrictions on immigration.
a2tech 10y ago
Thats unbelievable. Even if thats an exaggeration and the actual number is closer to what the government claims (60,000) thats a jaw dropping number for an order that went into place a week ago.
- nemtaro 10y ago
  I'm afraid that is likely an underestimated number of affected people/lives because it does not include the number of people with valid, legal visas who are refused boarding by airlines across the world. Those people never make it to the US to have their visas revoked.
  - projectramo 10y ago
    Not to mention the people who are eligible for visas but will never get them now. That number is many times larger.
- bobwaycott 10y ago
  Here, we seem to have not a contradiction between what the government claims and another source, but what the government claims via two separate departments. Both are "the government", of course. :)
jcoffland 10y ago
I'll be proud of my country again when the perpetrators if these abuses of power are in jail.
- rhizome 10y ago
  Unlikely in the short term, and in the long term this is just the beginning.
lancewiggs 10y ago
Come to New Zealand. Our tech ecosystem is strong, lifestyle unbeatable and political system sound.
- CobrastanJorji 10y ago
  I wonder, if I were trying to put my family the furthest from a Trump-initiated nuclear war, is New Zealand basically the best place to be? Or would somewhere like Chile be a better idea? I suppose I need to also factor in the quality of life difference vs. the probability that one is safer, and how the local economies would handle a world-wide collapse. It's a plus that New Zealand exports so much food, I imagine.
  - John23832 10y ago
    If you're avoiding nuclear war, anywhere in the southern hemisphere will do due to equatorial winds.
  - mictlan_ 10y ago
    So come to Uruguay. First software exporter per capita in latin america [1], green energy [2,3] (each year less dependence to hydrocarburs), one of the safestcouuntries in latin america [4] .. and last but not less important: a country born from inmigrants [5]. You all are more than welcome in my country! [1] http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguayan-software-entering-into-the-future/ http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguayan-software-enterin... [2] http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguay-a-pillar-of-renewable-energy-in-latin-america/ http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguay-a-pillar-of-renewa... [3] http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/03/how-uruguay-became-a-wind-power-powerhouse.html http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/03/how-uru... [4] http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/safest-countries-retire-latin-america.asp http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216... [5] http://ethnologist.info/section/world-resorts/latin-america/uruguay/history-of-uruguay-from-ethnological-view/ http://ethnologist.info/section/world-resorts/latin-america/...
    - dingaling 10y ago
beedogs 10y ago
Why was this flagged? WTF is going on at HN?

46 points by beedogs 10y ago

I'm really curious how this revocation of visas works in combination with the 90-day limit on the executive order. If the executive order is not extended, can they be un-revoked?

origami777 10y ago

I dislike Trump. But more than seeing him lose, I want to see justice prevail. If it's within his power to do this, so be it. But if it isn't, I hope this binds the rest of us together to deliver a significant defeat to him. It's great to see our justice system work together to challenge this order.

nemtaro 10y ago
Have you been asleep this past week? The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order. Who do you think is supposed to enforce the ruling of the courts?
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  > The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order The courts have partially stopped this EO. > The judge’s ruling blocked part of the president’s actions, preventing the government from deporting some arrivals who found themselves ensnared by the presidential order. But it stopped short of letting them into the country or issuing a broader ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s actions. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u...
- RealGeek 10y ago
  Federal Government is defying court orders.
  - bobwaycott 10y ago
    Executive branch defying the judicial is probably a bit more accurate. They're both the federal government.
- origami777 10y ago
  Actually kind of! Been traveling a lot this last week and working odd hours. But what's probably a bigger factor is that I don't know how these things work. You make it sound simple, which confuses me because the issue isn't resolved yet. And I don't know the answer to your question.
gremlinsinc 10y ago
Would be funny if his first major act as president was the one that got him impeached...but then we'd have to deal w/ Pence...I'd rather grab popcorn and watch it all burn to the ground than have Bush era republicans...at least this is funner to watch.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  As someone who has to live with the consequences, I'd rather not watch it all burn to the ground, thanks. If the choice is Pence or Trump, well, I know little about Pence. But I know enough about Trump that I'd take Pence...

denzil_correa 10y ago

I simply can not understand how there can be a confusion on such a number. Can not one simply document this? The US does this as well. For example, "Stop-and-frisk" in NYC requires that when police officers make stops - they fill out the form explaining the situation and details of the stop [0]. The next step would be to analayze the nature of this stops and I won't find it surprising if there was/is racial profiling. Even the Stop-And-Frisk NYC policy discriminated against persons of Hispanics and African descent [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City#Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit... [1] http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/016214506000001040 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/01621450600000104...

TheCoelacanth 10y ago
Considering that they are violating a court order in continuing to enforce parts of the order, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are also neglecting to fill out the proper paperwork.

superdug 10y ago

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

a2tech 10y ago
I think they ran out room and couldn't put the last bit on - 'to hastily blow out the wick and nervously shut and bolt the door'
- hdivider 10y ago
  Brilliant. :)
jimmyk 10y ago
Some random poet's words got put on a statue, so we're now forever bound to obey them?
- locopati 10y ago
  They are not rules to obey - they are noble aspirations to welcome and help others.
- EliRivers 10y ago
  People do say something similar about the constitution.
  - jimmyk 10y ago
    When the constitution doesn't quite suit us, we amend it. When we want heavier restrictions on immigration than some poem recommends, we elect Donald Trump.
    - EliRivers 10y ago
      Although of course more people voted for the other candidate, which we could take to indicate that more people didn't want (in as much as what people want is linked to their choice of candidate) these new heavier restrictions on immigration.

a2tech 10y ago

Thats unbelievable. Even if thats an exaggeration and the actual number is closer to what the government claims (60,000) thats a jaw dropping number for an order that went into place a week ago.

nemtaro 10y ago
I'm afraid that is likely an underestimated number of affected people/lives because it does not include the number of people with valid, legal visas who are refused boarding by airlines across the world. Those people never make it to the US to have their visas revoked.
- projectramo 10y ago
  Not to mention the people who are eligible for visas but will never get them now. That number is many times larger.
bobwaycott 10y ago
Here, we seem to have not a contradiction between what the government claims and another source, but what the government claims via two separate departments. Both are "the government", of course. :)

jcoffland 10y ago

I'll be proud of my country again when the perpetrators if these abuses of power are in jail.

rhizome 10y ago
Unlikely in the short term, and in the long term this is just the beginning.

lancewiggs 10y ago

Come to New Zealand. Our tech ecosystem is strong, lifestyle unbeatable and political system sound.

CobrastanJorji 10y ago
I wonder, if I were trying to put my family the furthest from a Trump-initiated nuclear war, is New Zealand basically the best place to be? Or would somewhere like Chile be a better idea? I suppose I need to also factor in the quality of life difference vs. the probability that one is safer, and how the local economies would handle a world-wide collapse. It's a plus that New Zealand exports so much food, I imagine.
- John23832 10y ago
  If you're avoiding nuclear war, anywhere in the southern hemisphere will do due to equatorial winds.
- mictlan_ 10y ago
  So come to Uruguay. First software exporter per capita in latin america [1], green energy [2,3] (each year less dependence to hydrocarburs), one of the safestcouuntries in latin america [4] .. and last but not less important: a country born from inmigrants [5]. You all are more than welcome in my country! [1] http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguayan-software-entering-into-the-future/ http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguayan-software-enterin... [2] http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguay-a-pillar-of-renewable-energy-in-latin-america/ http://marcapaisuruguay.gub.uy/en/uruguay-a-pillar-of-renewa... [3] http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/03/how-uruguay-became-a-wind-power-powerhouse.html http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/03/how-uru... [4] http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/safest-countries-retire-latin-america.asp http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216... [5] http://ethnologist.info/section/world-resorts/latin-america/uruguay/history-of-uruguay-from-ethnological-view/ http://ethnologist.info/section/world-resorts/latin-america/...
  - dingaling 10y ago

beedogs 10y ago

Why was this flagged? WTF is going on at HN?