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For whatever reason, nobody has brought up the actual thought processes of the people who support this ban. My understanding of the arguments is this: 1. too m
by humanrebar 10y ago
For whatever reason, nobody has brought up the actual thought processes of the people who support this ban. My understanding of the arguments is this:
1. too many terrorist attacks in the U.S. have been committed by people born overseas
2. many come from certain "bad actor" or otherwise dysfunctional countries; that they are majority-Muslim is true but it's an incidental fact, not the reason, which is international terrorism
3. the visa vetting process is therefore dysfunctional
4. so the U.S. should pause the visa process for countries referenced in point 2 until point 3 is resolved; it's better to be safe than sorry with respect to point 1
It's my understanding that the comparison to Obama is to support that point 2 isn't about being racist but about practical national security concerns that Obama shared. The difference with Obama's policy is a difference in the degree of concern, not type of concern. That is, if Trump is really racist here, then Obama's at least a little racist, which doesn't seem to be the contention of most people appalled by this executive order.
...that's my understanding of the thought process translated into HN-friendly lingo, anyway.
- hsod 10y agoIn case anyone was wondering about point 1, there have been three terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 perpetrated by immigrants from countries on the list, with zero deaths. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/29/jerrold-nadler/have-there-been-terrorist-attacks-post-911-countri/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/...)